Are you ready to fasten your seatbelts and embark on a journey where we tackle the real essence of safety, its influence on progress, and the way it shapes the notion of justice? Get set to traverse the intriguing world of football, examine the role of safety in the professional success of Deion Sanders, and chuckle over the quirky title of the Tight End position. We also meander into the realms of pop culture, reminiscing about the Hanson family, hitting the high notes with K-Pop, and journeying through historical events like the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Moving away from the hustle and bustle of pop culture, we shift gears to discuss safety's profound impact on liberation. We analyze the revolutionary role of the safety bicycle in propelling the women's movement. From the lurking dangers of horses and penny farthings to the exhilarating velocity of different bicycles, we probe how enhancing safety in society liberates individuals and fosters economic growth. We also delve into the implications of the absence of universal healthcare, childcare, and elderly care on people's freedoms and choices.
On a personal note, our conversation veers towards our fencing skills and the role of personal safety in curbing freedom. In contrast, we joke about the perils of having a king and mull over the idea of the best defense being a good offense. Treading on serious ground, we reflect upon the history of racial injustice in America, highlighting the power of boycotts and direct action. Drawing upon the civil rights movement and the bus boycott in Birmingham, Alabama, we ponder over how safety and security deficits hinder liberation. But fear not, we also lighten the mood with a spirited debate on the best Star Wars movie and a fun comparison between the Cars and Godfather movie franchises.
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Are you ready to fasten your seatbelts and embark on a journey where we tackle the real essence of safety, its influence on progress, and the way it shapes the notion of justice? Get set to traverse the intriguing world of football, examine the role of safety in the professional success of Deion Sanders, and chuckle over the quirky title of the Tight End position. We also meander into the realms of pop culture, reminiscing about the Hanson family, hitting the high notes with K-Pop, and journeying through historical events like the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Moving away from the hustle and bustle of pop culture, we shift gears to discuss safety's profound impact on liberation. We analyze the revolutionary role of the safety bicycle in propelling the women's movement. From the lurking dangers of horses and penny farthings to the exhilarating velocity of different bicycles, we probe how enhancing safety in society liberates individuals and fosters economic growth. We also delve into the implications of the absence of universal healthcare, childcare, and elderly care on people's freedoms and choices.
On a personal note, our conversation veers towards our fencing skills and the role of personal safety in curbing freedom. In contrast, we joke about the perils of having a king and mull over the idea of the best defense being a good offense. Treading on serious ground, we reflect upon the history of racial injustice in America, highlighting the power of boycotts and direct action. Drawing upon the civil rights movement and the bus boycott in Birmingham, Alabama, we ponder over how safety and security deficits hinder liberation. But fear not, we also lighten the mood with a spirited debate on the best Star Wars movie and a fun comparison between the Cars and Godfather movie franchises.
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Comments? Feedback? Questions? Solutions? Message us! We will do a mailbag episode.
Email: solutionsfromthemultiverse@gmail.com
Adam: @ajbraus - braus@hey.com
Scot: @scotmaupin
adambraus.com (Link to Adam's projects and books)
The Perfect Show (Scot's solo podcast)
The Numey (inflation-free currency)
Thanks to Jonah Burns for the SFM music.
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Speaker 2:I hit record a little bit while ago, but we can we can banter or we can start in Specifically I was like. That is the one thing that would not qualify as banter. It's like m.
Speaker 1:Bop. You've been listening to a crummy music.
Speaker 2:I can. Did you hear that? Oh, I'm gonna go to the mad that Hansen Bob is a banger. That song is good.
Speaker 1:Oh god, we just lost our entire listenership.
Speaker 2:Because I, because I expressed positive views of Hansen see in the future people good, get out of here.
Speaker 1:That'll be like a cancelable offense, you know.
Speaker 2:I like Hansen. What are you talking about? They're not here. Donald Trump, some sweet kids playing some music what's wrong with this?
Speaker 1:Nothing I don't know. I just have a recollection.
Speaker 2:Do you hate the Jackson 5 as well, sir Well?
Speaker 1:Jackson 5, little kids singing cool music, okay, but Jackson 5 they talk about like it's like about romance and stuff. I feel like, is that one Hansen?
Speaker 2:David entire song just about the ABCs.
Speaker 1:Hey, no, it's about how it's easy to love someone. It's as easy as ABC to love someone. That's so sweet. It's not about the eight. Do you listen to the lyrics?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the Hansen song is about Mbop and what is that about?
Speaker 1:What is that?
Speaker 2:In an Mbop. You're gone. What are you gonna do? What does that mean? It's Mbop, you gotta listen to it. No, it's not so.
Speaker 1:See, this is what I'm talking about. You're talking about Mbop doesn't have a larger, it's just like word sounds coming out of mouths.
Speaker 2:What if it was about the fall of the Berlin Wall and like, the end of communism, and you just did you didn't. You just didn't Like listen to it closely.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's an. It's a proto K-pop like mbop. That sounds like a Korean word.
Speaker 2:They had to call K K-pop, had to call themselves K-pop because mbop was already taken. That was what they wanted Mbop like.
Speaker 1:Bop just means rice in Korean right.
Speaker 2:So in Korean it would be delicious. Yeah, I was gonna say in Korea it would have been, but be mbop.
Speaker 1:Oh baby, mbop yeah.
Speaker 2:I could see like a few years from now, they just bring those guys back and have them endorsing some commercials in Korea. But, they're gonna be all like old and they've all had real storied lives. Bad news for you there are age. We're not always was one in prison. I think all of them are now married and divorced and have had real lives and they're like real, real dudes. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know they could start a new like a like a family called the Hanson family.
Speaker 2:Kind of sounds like Manson family is creepy, I know too much about these kids, but there are seven kids in the Hanson in the Hanson family, and only the three are the Only.
Speaker 1:The three are the musicians, so the other four have got to be like sitting there looking at the but they still get to Parties and be like I'm a handsome brother and people are like, oh my god, they'll be like are you the one who plays the drums?
Speaker 2:You're like, no, no, like no guitar You're like no like either harmonica guy who sings, you like no harmonica. Yeah, taylor, what do you mean?
Speaker 1:Now you know that this is a good band.
Speaker 2:Zach, taylor and Isaac.
Speaker 1:I know all the kids, oh my god.
Speaker 2:I go deep on Hanson.
Speaker 1:Well, should we get started? I'm Adam Brouse, I'm Scott Moppen. This is solutions from the MV verse multi. The MV verse yeah. It's where we, every week, we have a new solution that is unheard of, or at least Dramatically out of the mainstream, and we talk about it and we ask questions about it and tell and then talk about Movies and jokes and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if we bring out a solution that you've already heard, you are required to turn the podcast off.
Speaker 1:You can you have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's only for people who haven't heard these.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and sometimes we have solutions that are that are known, but then, like, the reason why it should be adopted is very different. That's, we've got two, at least two, episodes like that, so, and usually the solutions are on like democracy, healthcare, education, urbanism right, we're anti all that stuff, right yeah. We're like we want, yeah, just fascism, autocracy, ignorance. That's what we're all about I.
Speaker 2:I want to be able to see the atmosphere right in front of my face. That's, that's how I know that it air exists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, if I can see it. Oh god, it's too bad, because there are people saying that we're actually like that. But Okay, so today I have a solution for us.
Speaker 2:Blade on me, we got a big solution, okay, big solution.
Speaker 1:So it's it has to do with, okay, so the solution is, if we want Progress and justice, we should focus on do we want progress?
Speaker 2:I guess.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I guess yes if we want progress and justice, we should focus on physical safety. Physical safety like just safety. You could say emotional safety too, but I'm but that's sort of metaphorical. I think the main thing is just physical safety.
Speaker 2:If we, if that's what you focus on- you need, like a deion Sanders, a real physical safety. That's right. All right, was he a safety? I'm real strong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a real he's a really good. I just like the tight end. Can they really have a name like that? It's so provocative, it's so.
Speaker 2:second tight end. Is there a loose end in football? We are not the football people. There's no loose end. Do you know?
Speaker 1:this. Oh for a fact. Yeah, tight ends the name of the, the role I know in the play. Yeah, there's in the play, the football play in the play. They're all out there.
Speaker 2:I'm going to think I'm going to go see the men in the play today, All Sunday well, they're always saying that was a great play.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's true, they're there. Yeah, they have a play, clock I. This is, although maybe that.
Speaker 2:I made fun of you, but I know I'm on board now.
Speaker 1:That's the play within the play. Yeah, that's how we'll catch the conscience of the king.
Speaker 2:All right. So the the safety, physical safety, physical safety. So so what?
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm contrasting this with, I'm looking at the yes, I'm sort of assessing From, like you know, just from, like, living in society, like a normal person and and being, you know, living in San Francisco, being around, being in higher ed, I'm around a lot of people who are, like, really concerned with social justice.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then to some extent they kind of they kind of also sometimes sort of Mention like economic justice, but really they're almost entirely about social justice. You know, kind of being able to be whatever identity you are without receiving any kind of Persecution or offense. You know no offense and no persecution. Persecution is not as big anymore, but offense is still really a problem. People get offended.
Speaker 2:How do you mean? Like I'm not pulling About concrete image of that in my head.
Speaker 1:Well, like for example, you, you know right now, you know you have, you have total civil rights as like a homosexual now in our society.
Speaker 2:Are you outing me right now on this spot?
Speaker 1:You have the Scott, you as a homosexual Scott.
Speaker 2:You have no.
Speaker 1:You know if you're homosexual or a woman. If you're a woman, you have total civil rights right. You have political rights and vote on property, do and go anywhere, travel. You know your passports process the same, like everything legally is exactly the same. So you're not there's no persecution, really. Okay, you know you're not being persecuted, but you know there's like thing. But you might face offense. You might. You might have offensive things said to you or done to you.
Speaker 1:An offense is a kind of harm and so People are doing a lot to try to reduce the amount of offense people receive. And there's you know people say there's economic, structural injustices you know that are that are around, like, for example, the lower pay of mothers. We've talked about which is sometimes elided into the lower pay of women, which is non-existent. It's really just a lower pay.
Speaker 2:So let me see if I got, if I can do it right. So like when the civil rights act happens, they're like black citizens have full rights, but then it effectively they're treated not such for they're not treated the same way At that? At that moment, like people aren't all on board right at the same time and so it's like you have the rights but you are still the offense stuff. Right, right.
Speaker 1:And so people are like okay, let's fight this, let's fight the offense, let's fight any lingering persecution which does happen. In case you know, hate crimes, sure like a type of persecution right and other sort of, you know, forms of social justice, and then people don't talk about economic justice enough. That's that's what I think, but we're gonna I'm gonna leave that to the side and just say that I would say that the strategies that we're taking to achieve social justice are Not very effective, largely because we've been doing it for about 30 years straight.
Speaker 1:Like since the 90s, people have been doing this sort of same sort of policing language, promoting things in education, like in schools and and like doing some sort of noisy sort of political activism stuff, but not really like truly doing. Like true, like we've talked about on this podcast. Like true, like boycotts and With drawing cooperation from the government.
Speaker 2:Just advocacy. Yeah, I mean the current climate is very, very divisive and polarized. You know like, yeah, people are not all on the same page, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and people go in and say, oh, I'm gonna promote social justice by by starting, you know, by supporting this or that politician who advocates for this as well, like they also say that this is important. Do they really have any laws that are gonna, like, change anything? Not really, it's more just kind of like they support this, so that's good, so that's kind of been the strategy so far for like 30, or basically since the 90s that's been the strategy and it just doesn't seem to be working Like I mean, we haven't. I feel like there's still. Society is still hugely unjust socially, economically, in all kinds of ways. It's like truly unjust still. So I was gonna propose that the real solution or what I would propose it might be another solution that may work better is to focus entirely on safety, especially physical safety, and there's historical precedence for this being the case, and one particular example I'll say is yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Well, when you say focus on physical safety, you mean like making sure that, as a society, people are safe in there like from harm or injury.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly, I think if you eliminate, if we eliminated harm, like if we eliminated and if we made society safe, just physically safe, that that itself would actually drive social justice far more effectively than policing language, for example, Like just let people say whatever they want, but actually make sure everyone is physically safe. And if you do that, I think actually it's almost impossible for there to be social injustice actually. And I can talk about it kind of why, but I think one of the examples, the way I came up with this idea, was because Susan B Anthony said you know, Susan B Anthony, the woman's movement leader.
Speaker 2:She's on the coin?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got rid of because, of course, there was the only coinage with women.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was replaced with the Pocahontas coin.
Speaker 1:No Saccheginia coin. I think it was originally replaced with a JFK coin.
Speaker 2:JFK is on the 50 cent piece, I believe.
Speaker 1:Oh really. Oh, there was a 50 cent piece.
Speaker 2:There was a 50 cent piece, and then there was a Susan B Anthony dollar, and then they did the Saccheginia dollar. Yeah, yeah, probably when I was in college. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm still for the Harriet Tubman 20.
Speaker 2:I would really like that. Yeah, dude, that'd be awesome, that'd be great.
Speaker 1:But so Susan B Anthony, who was like one of the leaders of the first wave feminism, trying to get actual political civil rights for women. She said that the and you can look up the quote she said that the most important thing for the women's movement ever was the invention of the safety bicycle, which is what we just call bicycles.
Speaker 2:How dangerous were their bicycles? Yeah, so before the safety bicycle, Throw some of these giant spikes on your seat. Oh no, it's not good.
Speaker 1:No, you know what I'm talking about the velocities, not velociraptors, but velocities. The bikes with the huge front wheel, the penny, far things and the back wheel super dangerous because they're way up high.
Speaker 2:They look so stupid. I love them. Yeah, it was, I want to ride one, but they do too. They look really dumb.
Speaker 1:I do too. They're dumb, but they're also really dangerous. You fall off and crack your head.
Speaker 2:Two stories in the air.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't think there were breaks, I think it was a fixie with the big wheel like that and so super dangerous. And so basically you had horses which were also pretty dangerous, and women weren't usually comfortable dealing with horses that could kick you and bite you and shit everywhere and you had to deal with them in all different ways. And then the velocities, the penny far things and other bicycles were super dangerous. And so women it wasn't really the women were like rightfully, like this is idiotic, I'm not gonna ride these things, and the men are like woo-hoo, just crack our skulls. But it gave the men more freedom of movement to have horses and these bikes that they didn't get around with. So the invention of the safety bicycle, which gave a bike with brakes and it gave gears I don't know if it gears, but brakes.
Speaker 2:I think it would. Yeah, and it was low to the ground, two wheels. The penny farthing was like your wheel. Your pedal is on that wheel. That's why it's so big and so you can, instead of having gears. You're just like there's a big wheel, so I pedal it. The bigger the wheel, the more I go.
Speaker 1:And so the safety bicycle, which is just the bicycle. What Susan B Anthony said was the most important thing for the women's movement ever, and I just that's been rattling around in the claptrap of my brain for like years.
Speaker 2:Since I learned that you are a supporter of bicycling. You're a fan of people using bikes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bicycling I'm so shocked, but I think the bigger. Yeah, I like bikes and everyone who's listened to any of those knows that I love bikes and protected bike lanes. But I think there's like a bigger. That's just a small part of a bigger thing which is safety. If you make life physically safe for people, that like liberates them in, I think, more than we, than we recognize, maybe because we've made society so much safer than it was in the past.
Speaker 1:Like in the past, you could just like fall down and you would like break your leg and you would die or whatever. I mean you were screwed because there's like medicine was like. You know, the doctor was the most dangerous person you could go to they bleed you or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, they were like wash hands between patients, whoa whoa, why?
Speaker 1:What am I?
Speaker 2:What am I? A weirdo?
Speaker 1:No, thank you, I don't want to catch a cold by all that water I'm touching, you know. So that's a society was sort of dangerous Even 200 years, 150 years ago, like it was terribly dangerous, whereas now it is a lot safer. But I think people don't remember or we attribute all the liberation of people over the last 150, 200 years to political activism and to like revolution.
Speaker 1:Yeah, technological stuff, and I think we underestimate that just by making society safer, that actually liberated people to then do all the work that it takes to earn liberty to get liberty.
Speaker 2:Having longer life spans and lower mortality rates eases the sort of general anxiety of like well, I'm going to die at age 28. So I might as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I might as well go over the bang and some war or something.
Speaker 2:No, bother trying to build anything that's going to last, because I'm not going to last that long.
Speaker 1:And then you also, like no one in your family is sick, like in the past someone in your family was sick, like at all times that dragged like a woman down to have to care constantly for sick people. But that's actually still the case now because we don't have universal healthcare and we don't have adequate childcare and we don't have adequate elderly care. In a lot of cases I mean probably elderly care we have actually the best compared to the other three, but because of that, actually a ton of people, including a lot of women, are like pulled down, not pulled down. Caregiving is very important but they're not liberated anymore, right Cause they have to do the caregiving instead of the choice to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's obligations.
Speaker 1:And so that's an example of like oh, physical safety and health. I include health and safety, like if you're actually make society as a whole physically safe and healthy, that's actually the basis for all this other stuff that we want justice liberation. Even economic growth is all dependent on.
Speaker 2:that Makes total sense to me.
Speaker 1:But it's not focused on.
Speaker 2:that's the problem, so we gotta focus on it. What are the steps to make a more physically safe society? Cause I can think of two giant ones that we talk about or have talked about before.
Speaker 1:Which are healthcare and gun control. Yeah, gun control, universal healthcare.
Speaker 2:And that comes to mind because I lived in Japan, where I had healthcare and there were no guns.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I felt safe walking around at three o'clock in the morning on the most crowded places with little care to my own, like I gotta watch my surroundings or whatever, and I didn't realize until I came back. I was like, oh, there was a level of general anxiety that I just didn't have there, that I do have in America, because you could have a horrible you could have a catastrophic health thing that puts you into debt forever, or a gun thing could change stuff real fast, real quick. Probably not only.
Speaker 1:And you don't get to control that. And I think there's that anxiety piece. But I mean you could say economic growth might be caused by anxiety. I mean a lot of people with status anxiety and material anxiety actually might drive.
Speaker 1:And some people, I think, think this they think man, americans wouldn't work hard if they weren't gonna die if they didn't have healthcare. And that's a really sick, sad way to think about economic growth. And so I mean I'm just pushing back on your idea of like, oh, anxiety is bad, for you might even think people who are having justice against them they actually should be kind of anxious about that and that would then drive a kind of to change it. But and complacency would be like Uncle Tom, uncle Tom super complacent as a slave or like as a whatever, not full person. So actually maybe anxiety is a good thing, but my argument is that actually it's the safety itself mechanically liberates people in a way. So just for example, the safety bike, right, I think the safety bike is a key example, but we can talk about healthcare too. So the safety bike made it so that women weren't literally locked in the home. They were like they could leave. They could go to suffragette meetings that were across town, because you could get a bike for, like you know, 200 bucks.
Speaker 2:And then you could the difference between biking and walking is so vast, huge, huge, it's so big.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could go five miles in, like you know 20 minutes or whatever, Sure, Whereas you can only walk so far. It's gonna take you all day. So the bike itself, which is really just an agent of safety, it's just increasing the safety level then, as a trailing effect, increases liberation and justice and it's the same thing Like if you take healthcare. There's some really great work by a guy named Paul Farmer.
Speaker 2:Actually just passed away, yeah, of a heart attack at like 60 something.
Speaker 1:He was quite young, or pretty young for our times to go, but he did amazing work and he's, in a way, a sort of secular saint. He's an amazing guy, okay, and he started a hospital and then a whole. He started a whole medical thing in Haiti with dozens of clinics and hospitals.
Speaker 2:Is he the guy responsible for that farmers only app? Is that also a fall farmer? Do you know? Farmers only no, is that a dating app?
Speaker 1:Oh for HACES For rural uh dudes Rural dating.
Speaker 2:People who want farmers. This is a different fall farmer. This guy went to Harvard and then he lived in Haiti most of his life, gotcha, and then his organization, partners in Health, which you can go give money to because it's a great organization.
Speaker 1:They do healthcare stuff all over the world. They went into Rwanda and built a health system. They did stuff against AIDS all over the world. They did stuff against TB all over the world. They did stuff, you know, in Peru. They have a huge presence there. They're a huge, a great organization. But anyways, he has all this work that I think people don't know about his actual academic work as an anthropologist. So he was a medical doctor but he's also a PhD anthropologist, okay, and his anthropology work was all about how people without power get sick. So you notice that powerless people are sick all the time. But it's kind of. So he saw like healing people as actually a form of empowerment. Okay, and I think that's kind of what I'm saying too. You know, if you're safe meaning also healthy that itself mechanically drives the ability to like gain, liberation, and you know be and you know have a just society. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I like that. So how do you? What are the steps? What would be your first steps If you were King Adam and you could control?
Speaker 1:the personal safety. Well, I'm not King Adam, I mean I. But if you can pull those levers, what do you pull? Well, I mean I, just, I think the first thing I would do is I would start a podcast and in that podcast, this notoriously podcasts make people more safe.
Speaker 2:Super safe.
Speaker 1:You're sitting there and you're, like you know, in the gym. You're totally safe. Watch those weights Careful. Watch those treadmills. Make sure to hook that little thing on the. No one hooks onto themselves, but you should. What thing. The little treadmill thing that hooks onto your shirt and if you fall, it pulls off and stops.
Speaker 2:No one uses it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't use one of those. See, you're not saying I'm not going to fall off a treadmill. How?
Speaker 2:fast. Do you think I'm running Until you do? That's true. I was actually just talking recently about focusing on personal safety, but surprisingly I had a very different sort of plan. I wanted to build like an Ironman suit. That was bigger on the outside right but it's so that it could be like full of pillows on the inside.
Speaker 1:So it's more comfortable, because I was like.
Speaker 2:That doesn't look very comfortable for that guy.
Speaker 1:That's like the one thing that suit needed, because he always got blasted around and shot out of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, imagine if it was squishy and nice inside. You have memory foam all up in there. That's pleasant suit. I also just watched Panic Room. So I was thinking of like a panic room you could wear around with you and not have to worry about like getting stabbed or shot or anything you just kind of like.
Speaker 1:This kind of reminds me of the movie Surrogate. Did you watch that movie, Surrogates?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:With the with You've watched a movie I haven't watched. I know Whoa.
Speaker 2:Ding, ding, ding. This should be like an alarm bell. Just kidding, fetty falls down. Oh my God, we've done it.
Speaker 1:We never thought this day would come.
Speaker 2:So wait, Surrogates. What is Surrogates?
Speaker 1:Surrogates is a. I think it's a. I mean, I think it's a profoundly good movie, but I like sci-fi movies. If you don't like sci-fi, but it's the guy from Die Hard.
Speaker 2:Is it Ryan Reynolds Bruce?
Speaker 1:Willis.
Speaker 2:And Ryan Reynolds. No, no, no, deadpool.
Speaker 1:No, there's no Ryan Reynolds in it, it's just Bruce Willis. And Because?
Speaker 2:Deadpool knows he's in the movie.
Speaker 1:There's a leading woman who's good to his wife. I can't remember what her name is, though. Is the actress, but she's quite good, but yeah, and then there's a few. That's it, I think, in terms of big names, but it's about a sci-fi future where you can kind of like avatar, or you can like beam your consciousness into an avatar. This is like you can beam your consciousness into a robot who looks like a human. Hints the titular surrogate and most people do it.
Speaker 1:It like becomes so common that most people beam into their surrogate every morning and then they just go around the whole life in their surrogate and then they like beam out.
Speaker 2:So their actual body is like chilling out in a room with like a VR set up or whatever.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like a. They kind of prefigured COVID. I think they kind of prefigured the, you know, the stay at home stuff.
Speaker 2:That'll be the new work in remote, is you're? Like I'm staying at home but my flesh body is going out and doing all my things for me, and it was a lot about safety, because you could like get hit by a train and you'd be fine, and you're surrogate dies, you don't die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was like a, that was like a thing.
Speaker 2:So what made you think of focusing on personal state Like? What triggered this thought in your mind? Was it a?
Speaker 1:What made me think of this was this isn't me.
Speaker 2:Anthony, Did you have to beat up a bunch of guys in a dark alley recently? I?
Speaker 1:when I was a child, we were coming out of the opera oh no, yes, and we were we were across.
Speaker 2:Did you have incredibly rich parents by chance?
Speaker 1:It was more of a more of a penny opera.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:We were, we were, we were gypsies, oh no.
Speaker 2:Man. If a poor kid walks out and their parents get shot, I don't think they have the means to fly around the world and learn to be like a ninja and get all the gadgets that they can. Batman doesn't happen unless you have a rich person Right. There's no poor person Batman.
Speaker 1:Is there a poor person? Batman, isn't it? Daredevil? He's a lawyer. He's blind, but he doesn't use his money to do anything. He's a defense lawyer. He doesn't make very much money, oh wow yeah. And he's blind on top of everything. He can afford rent in New York city. That's pretty true, that's pretty hefty, but he could he might as well just like you know move to St Louis and be Daredevil there.
Speaker 2:There's crime. Daredevil only swings on the arch, that's all.
Speaker 1:Why do these guys always fight crime? Crime has been going down for decades.
Speaker 2:Because of Daredevil and Batman.
Speaker 1:Because of cell phones mostly.
Speaker 2:You think cell phones are the main driver down to crime. That's what I read. That's what I read.
Speaker 1:How so? Because you know you can be anywhere you are. You have a phone, you can call the cops. So even if you don't have to call the cops, it prevents crimes from happening because you just hold up your phone and say I'm going to call the cops if you don't stop, and they go. Oh, shoot.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. You know you have to like get out of the situation, make your way to the police station and file a report and be like right a guy attacked me four hours ago way over there. Can you go get them please? Exactly, right, right, yeah. So I mean crime has just been going down.
Speaker 1:Some horrible, the freaking economics guys. They said that crime was going down because of abortion no-transcript, which I thought was like really hardcore to say.
Speaker 2:I have heard that theory before. It is hardcore. I think that's.
Speaker 1:BS Cause. If you saw, if that were the case then the year that abortion became legal, like Roe v Wade, then you would have seen a drop like directly. But that's not what we see.
Speaker 2:What we see is crime going down gradually over time? Wouldn't it be more of a lagging indicator like we were talking other weeks, 14 years?
Speaker 1:later, 16 years later, then it would drop, but it would drop precipitously.
Speaker 2:16 years later, but it didn't do that.
Speaker 1:It just kind of inched down over decades and decades, which means, yeah, in some ways it is public safety being improved.
Speaker 1:But, here's an example of another thing that's not safe. Anyways, the point is I'll say this I came up with the idea for mainly two reasons. One was cause I heard that quote about from Susan B Anthony, from a great actually it was from an ex mayor of Madison, Wisconsin, and I was putting on Ted X Madison and I was like the curator of the whole thing and sort of setting it all up. I had other guys who were doing awesome jobs as like organizers, but I got to be the curator of the speakers and that meant I had to meet with each of the speakers and hear their idea ahead of time and help them design it into a TED talk.
Speaker 2:That's cool. Yeah, it was really fun. How did you get split into that? How did you slot into that?
Speaker 1:I led the charge.
Speaker 2:That's cool, I started it.
Speaker 1:I put on Ted X Madison the first time and then I put it the next two times. I worked with teams of people and we all really shared the responsibility together. But one of the talks was one of the ex mayors of Madison who talked all about bicycles and how transformative they are for cities and that TED talk, which you can look up on YouTube, I'll drop it in the notes, is really, really good. And one of the things he says with this quote about Susan B Anthony, and I saw that and I was like, wow, that's so great. And then when the Black Lives Matter stuff happened a few years ago, I knew the history. I think a lot of times in America we don't learn the history.
Speaker 1:We just kind of react to the moment, for sure. And what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, america, not knowing their history and just reacting at the moment. I never, I can't get out. Clutch my pearls, right? Yeah, no, that sounds right on.
Speaker 1:So I looked at the history and the history was not good. I mean, the history was 25 years before we had had another Black man beaten almost to death or to death Rodney King.
Speaker 2:He did not get beaten to death, but it was brutal. Yeah, beaten up real bad.
Speaker 1:And it was one of the early. Yeah, it was pre-cell phone.
Speaker 2:But it was one of the early where, like, you have video of the thing happening and you don't just have to like it's not the person's word against the cop's word.
Speaker 1:So I just saw that and was like, wow, 25 or 30 years and we've had like zero progress. Actually. Worse really, because the guy was just killed in daylight in front of a bunch of people, Right, he wasn't just you know, it wasn't like on the side of the road.
Speaker 2:You're talking about George Floyd. I mean there have been countless, countless. Yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 1:But the fact that that continues to me is like okay, clearly what we're doing doesn't work right, like it makes you open. It opens you up. Instead of saying, well, what we're doing, we just gotta keep doing what we're doing and go harder and harder.
Speaker 1:No it's like no, if something doesn't fix for 30 years, 40 years, it's bro, like the way you're doing it doesn't work. Yeah, all the people who are like so certain oh, we gotta do this. The next time you hear someone say the way we need to, you know, fix race stuff is this. And if they're not saying something totally new, don't listen to them, because they've been saying the same damn thing for 40 years. It doesn't change. It does not change anything. The civil rights movement changed something that went from no civil rights to civil rights. And guess what they did? Mass boycotts, mass general strikes, mass withdrawal of cooperation from the government. You know, true withdrawal, not just, oh, they were protesting, that people who think that civil rights movement was protesting are out to lunch. Protesting was just the most visible sort of thing that was remembered. They were doing bus boycotts in Birmingham, alabama.
Speaker 1:That meant that nobody rode the bus. Think how crazy that is if everyone stopped riding the bus who are like people of color, which in Birmingham, alabama and these neighborhoods was everybody and they just stopped riding the bus. That meant they had to set up coordinate rides. They had to. People were just walking every day. You know miles and miles. It was a huge sacrifice and a huge direct action, I mean I'm a big Gandhi guy and he was like what if?
Speaker 2:we just make our own salt. And the British Empire was like no, please, we tapped. If we tap out, bro, Stop making your own salt, please.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they actually did real boycotts, real work, and that actually led to change and it was fast. They were like let's start doing this and then, like 20 or 10 years later, it was like full civil rights. It was amazing.
Speaker 2:Are you about to prescribe us boycotts?
Speaker 1:Well, no, I mean sure, boycotts, general strikes. We've talked about that already a little bit.
Speaker 1:But I think the main thing what I'm talking about is I think the one makes that possible even is safety, so if we can. So when you think, oh, it'd be nice to have universal health care because it would just be nice and maybe there's some moral, oh, we should be nice to the most vulnerable people in our population, or blah, blah, blah, that's like missing the bigger picture, which is that if you liberate, if you give people public safety and health, they will then turn around and liberate themselves. They will not continue to be ground down in injustice. They're only able to be ground down in injustice because their life is so unsafe and ill and sickly, you have to spend so much time and energy focusing.
Speaker 2:It's that Maslow's hierarchy of needs things, where it's like if you can take care of the top ones, it frees up people's brain space and physical space to do other lower level things. If you're food and housing and personal safety are taken care of. All of a sudden it's like oh. I don't have to worry about that. 24 seven that gives me a lot more leeway to do stuff.
Speaker 1:I'll give you an example so cars. So we talk about gun violence. Sure, the Pixar animated movie cars.
Speaker 2:Yes lovely movie and cars too, kerchow, I really hate these movies.
Speaker 1:There's the cars three as well.
Speaker 2:Don't leave it out how dare you, it's just brainwashing, it's just brainwashing.
Speaker 1:We'll tell you that brainwashing cars, cars three makes cars two.
Speaker 2:Looks like wait, no cars. Two makes cars three.
Speaker 1:Looks like cars one there you go, that's it, that's it. I thought you were gonna say like the Godfather.
Speaker 2:No, it's like whoa.
Speaker 1:Edgy. Edgy take there. No, I borrowed that from Griffin Newman.
Speaker 2:I'm blank check. So cars three is better, cars three is better than cars two. Cars one is the best. Kerchow, just like Star Wars. Just like Star Wars. The original three, episode one is the best. The Phantom Menace, best Star. Wars movie it's ever been made. Oh, the original, three the original. Oh, chronological.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, not chronological Original Star Wars. Return of the Jedi Empire Strikes Back is the best. Oh no, you said the third is the best. It's not like Star Wars, it's the opposite of Star Wars.
Speaker 2:No, I said the first one is the one with the hair. It's the opposite of Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's the opposite of Star Wars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cars two is no good. Don't, okay, or just don't watch any of them, because it's all just car propaganda.
Speaker 2:No cars, one is great, cars are good, kerchow.
Speaker 1:Kerchow.
Speaker 2:Kerchow, have you seen?
Speaker 1:it. I haven't seen any of the cars. I don't like cars.
Speaker 2:You don't have to like cars to watch the movie Cars I don't want to look at a bunch of propaganda.
Speaker 1:It's like Top Gun, maverick. It's just propaganda. It's all just.
Speaker 2:Top Gun.
Speaker 1:Maverick is also very good.
Speaker 2:Not good. Do not say that. Did you see it? Yes, it was horrible it was great.
Speaker 1:I was so bored. They also did a Star Wars. They were like you have to go through this tunnel.
Speaker 2:They have to shoot a thing. No, they do an exact, it's just a Star Wars. They lifted an exact Star Wars. So how can that be good? It's not. I mean, if you're going to knock Maverick for not being original, I mean that's the entire movie.
Speaker 1:It's just propaganda.
Speaker 2:It's just they read it Top Gun again, and I was like, yeah, I realized it's happening and I am OK with it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I like Tom Cruise. People like to knock Tom Cruise. I like Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2:Good.
Speaker 1:I especially liked.
Speaker 2:This is a pro Tom Cruise podcast, but he makes good movies too.
Speaker 1:Ladot like Top Gun, maverick that's a good movie, For example. The Edge of Tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I think that's a really good movie.
Speaker 1:I just love it. It's really good, Even though it's also not very original because it's just a military version of Groundhog.
Speaker 2:Day.
Speaker 1:But OK, I'd like to pitch a movie idea.
Speaker 2:Ok, I'm always there.
Speaker 1:So you know how there's like a lot of Groundhog Day movies now, like Palm.
Speaker 2:Springs and Edge of Tomorrow and Groundhog Day. I love these movies.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, me too. Happy Death Day is in the horror version of it.
Speaker 2:Happy Death Day. So good, yep.
Speaker 1:So I think we should make a Groundhog Day movie. Where they're on the set of Groundhog Day, the movie OK, and somebody on set not Bill Murray, not the main people, right, somebody else just on set, like a random, like a best boy, a grip, yeah, a grip, a key grip.
Speaker 2:They start having a Groundhog Day scenario inside of as they're filming Groundhog Right they wake up and it's always day 17 of filming. They're like all right.
Speaker 1:Well, tomorrow, in the same set ups, same lines, same scenes, and then we do CGI to get like a young Bill Murray, like off you know, on the edge of you know, blurry on the edge Sure. And it's the same lines being said from the movie and it's like, oh my God, I think that'd be such a good movie.
Speaker 2:Groundhog Day.
Speaker 1:That's a meta Groundhog Day, meta Groundhog Day, yeah, and the guys like starts to like tell people like I'm having what the movie is having, and he just gets fired.
Speaker 2:Well, he gets fired. But then he wakes up the next morning and he's back in his job. So he's like, ok, I can't say that, so I guess I can't, I can too, yeah. And then, who knows?
Speaker 1:what he ends up. I don't know what the actual plot would be. Maybe it would be, maybe it wouldn't be as plotter, and maybe more character.
Speaker 2:Well, the plot would be I got to get out of this Groundhog Day scenario Right, and then how does he do it in the movie, you know, and then how.
Speaker 1:And you could talk about Groundhog Day Like I took care of the kids of the guy who wrote Groundhog Day once. Cool In Sanofenio, mexico. Wait, who wrote?
Speaker 2:Groundhog Day. Was that Harold?
Speaker 1:Ramis Some guy.
Speaker 2:Harold Ramis directed it. It was, yeah, the cool kid.
Speaker 1:I don't know. That's awesome. Yeah, I was just like babysitting at this. It was like a religious. They were like having Yom Kapoor and they needed someone to watch their kids during Yom Kapoor. Cool, I was like, ok, cool. Anyways, did you know that it's the eight or 12 stages of grief? That's what he goes through during Groundhog Day, is that?
Speaker 2:dabda? Is that the denial?
Speaker 1:That denial, anger, bargaining, bargaining, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Depression, acceptance, there we go, I got it so that's what he does in Groundhog Day.
Speaker 1:He follows the eight stages of grief. So, maybe this grip is like someone just died and he actually is grieving the death. That's what triggered the Groundhog.
Speaker 2:Day yes, so instead of like love.
Speaker 1:Like in Groundhog Day, he's trying to get the girl Maybe.
Speaker 1:In this movie he's trying to grieve the death of like his father or something Like all the movie where, like a ghost, they have, to like figure out what the ghost's unfinished business so that the ghost can move on In order to get out of the Groundhog Day, you have to figure out your unfinished business or reconcile whatever the triggering event was or we could have it be someone who's playing Hamlet and they have to, okay, and you should be a Groundhog Day in Hamlet, and it'd be the uncle killed the, you know. I don't know, hamlet well enough, oh anyways, yeah, that'd be interesting.
Speaker 2:Oh wait. No, I think we should do more. I totally do. I know the Lion King. The Lion King is Hamlet. Yes, I'm fine, you never mind.
Speaker 1:We're good. We're good. God damn it. That's right. This is a bit of a Hamlet episode. We quoted Hamlet at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Well, we've fully stopped being podcast people and now we're just movie makers and we're gonna make this new Groundhog Day.
Speaker 1:The plays, the thing, the football play in which I'll catch the conscience of the king. What's your favorite Hamlet line on three, go there's Providence in the fall of a sparrow.
Speaker 2:I was gonna be like to be or not to be, but is that Hamlet? Yeah, that's Hamlet, that's.
Speaker 1:Hamlet, that's pretty classic.
Speaker 2:I like Providence in the fall of a sparrow. I was doubting myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's okay, I don't know, I read Hamlet a lot and watched it a lot and I got really into Hamlet. I recently learned that it's actually a retelling of an Icelandic folk tale of someone named like Algyleth. It's like an unpronounceable word.
Speaker 2:So they were like Vikings who were very they were Vikings who were very like, murdery with each other. Yeah, icelandic murders.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. But anyway, safety, I think like I haven't made the connection directly enough for people to understand. Let's do it then. Like if you have a sick family member, you will not organize a union. Do you see what I mean? Like you'll be busy taking care of your sick family member. Yeah, you see what I mean? Yes, I do. Or if your uncle is in a car accident, if your uncle who lives in your household and brings in money to pay for rent and food in the household, because, your dad's on disability or something and your mom's whatever.
Speaker 1:if your uncle gets into a car accident that wrecks the family's finances Just reverberates all the way through, every member, all the way through. Like, if I mean, god forbid, you're in some kind of you know, if you're a family and one of the and you and your father thinks, oh, we got to have this gun to make our house safer.
Speaker 1:And then God forbid this is just horrible tragedy, but imagine this happens every day. Imagine a kid gets in the gun and accidentally shoots themselves. That is a tragedy. But what people don't understand is the scars, the emotional scars, and trauma that reverberates out from that prevents those people from aspiring to a free, just society and free, just life for themselves. They spend the next years of their lives just dealing with trauma and healing. If they're lucky, healing, or if they're not lucky, just spinning out, you know so.
Speaker 1:Or drug addiction you know someone's addicted to alcohol or addicted to some drug that doesn't just affect them, that like reverberates not just they're not gonna organize a union or vote properly or go try to, you know, they're just, they're just gonna deal and cope with that and the people around them are just gonna have to deal and cope with that. So physical safety is a precursor for a just, liberated society. So all this, like white, I'm just gonna come out a little bit hard against kind of who I'm talking about, about this, like white liberal, you know. Oh, we got a police language.
Speaker 1:We gotta tell you that you didn't say the right thing on Twitter. You didn't say the right thing here.
Speaker 2:You were at the dinner party and you said mean things like I think people Wait, how often are you at dinner parties, saying that might be a problem if you're actually I never go to dinner parties. That's very specific.
Speaker 1:But if you say, or yeah, just any. This idea of policing language, this idea that you need to be like, educated in order to be a good voter, or educate your education is so important, we gotta make everyone go to school for forever.
Speaker 1:It's like it's not true. What we really need is just a safe society. People are healthy. They don't get. They get healthcare when they need it. We remove the harm from drugs. We remove the harm we eliminate. Cars are fricking dangerous. We just need to give them protected bike lanes and move and trains and move away from cars. They're too dangerous. 45,000 people die a year and I don't know how many hundreds of thousands are seriously injured by cars. That's too many. It's too many. It's just not safe enough for a free society to have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, there's always gonna be some level of personal safety that you can't ensure. People have ticking time bombs in their DNA that are gonna go off at some point. But the idea is the stuff that you can affect change on and minimize work on that.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, yeah, so I mean King Adam doesn't even need to do it. It's not about King Adam.
Speaker 2:You're all adopted this whole King Adam. I love King Adam. Oh, I would love to, but you're writing down with democracy on that note we don't need, we don't need yeah.
Speaker 1:No, we don't need King Adam. What we need is for people to realize look at history. The history of freedom had a foregoing history of safety. And if that history of safety slows down and stops, then guess what? The history of freedom slows down and stops too. The history of justice increasing justice slows down and stops too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they weren't inventing cell phones when everybody was worried about clanging swords with their people all around them. You know what I mean. Like it's just you didn't have time for it. You had to figure out how to like build armor and learn how to sword and parry and do all those things.
Speaker 1:Now you're making me. I see I really would love to be a master swordsman.
Speaker 2:We should. Yeah, I was a fencer before I was a fencer for years, decade, I also did. I also was a fencer, but it was different. Really, yeah, I built fences in college. Really, that's part of my job. Yeah, my summer job.
Speaker 1:A fencer. It's different. We were two different fencers.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yours arguably more useful.
Speaker 2:Yours was more offense, mine was more defense.
Speaker 1:Oh, both were fence. They were. I never realized that they say a good offense is the best defense.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's what they say. Yeah, they do. They switch that around. The best defense is a good offense. There you go, but it's the same I said the same thing. I said the best A good offense is the best defense.
Speaker 1:Oh, dang it. No, well, that's what we're saying in this podcast. Okay, the best offense to increase social justice is actually the best defense with people's safety, that time you said it right though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the right way. Yeah, that's the same way as normal.
Speaker 1:I think the historical record will remember who said what correctly.
Speaker 2:The people who think the best defense is a good offense are the people who, like I'm, gonna throw a punch first before they get it Offense.
Speaker 1:The best offense is the best defense.
Speaker 2:This is such a football episode for us. We are really into these football plays.
Speaker 1:We've got safeties, tight ends yeah, we've got. We haven't quarterbacked anything yet, though We'll get there.
Speaker 2:We'll get there, but anyways.
Speaker 1:We don't need a king. What we need is cause. Kings are not very safe. No, kings are dangerous. They destabilize society by having just one person. You hear that King.
Speaker 2:Charles, what's up? We're bringing it to you. We said it.
Speaker 1:We're done with King Charles. Get out of here. Anyways, that's what I think. That's what I think people should. That's my solution for today All right Personal safety.
Speaker 2:Focus on personal safety what if we made society safe.
Speaker 1:I think that's actually the foregoing process to make society just.
Speaker 2:My one. I will not disagree with this idea, because that seems Come on. Scott, no, I want. Okay, fine, everybody dangerous, that's what I would.
Speaker 1:Yeah, danger is my middle name Danger, edward Octung, america. Safety is my middle name, not exactly as cool as danger, but anyways, what do you think? You think that? Okay, great, go ahead. No question, go ahead, I don't care, whatever I was just gonna say what are?
Speaker 2:I said something in German. I didn't even get any props from you. You're usually the German guy Was, I said octung.
Speaker 1:What was that? Oh, that's danger. Octung.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, sorry, yeah, octung I'm an American Danger.
Speaker 1:I say octung.
Speaker 2:Octung is a weird. Octung is like a really bad superhero who just says like I have eight tongues in my mouth and they're like that's not a really useful, that's not a superpower.
Speaker 1:They're like small and they're the same size as one tongue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably. You have a big mouth and he has. No, it's gotta be eight tiny tongues in there.
Speaker 1:That's so gross why?
Speaker 2:would that be? What are you?
Speaker 1:That's the grossest?
Speaker 2:You would never know. Are you going?
Speaker 1:around looking at people's tongues. This falls into a category that we've talked about before.
Speaker 2:We've talked about this before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, low level mutants, remember there's omega mutants, but then there's also gotta be just really.
Speaker 2:Lame powered mutants yeah this is one octung.
Speaker 1:Octung is a lame-o mutant. He can't even get into exit Professor Xavier's.
Speaker 2:Octung is what we should call people who can speak eight languages.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:We got bilingual, trilingual. We get up to octung Octung yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like an octogenarian octung, that's an eight-year-old who can speak eight languages. Nice, oh, I like that. We just tolerate too much unsafety and we act as if it's inevitable. We're like it's just inevitable.
Speaker 2:The level of danger.
Speaker 1:We just have to have like 200,000 people a year's lives inexorably hurt by cars. That's false.
Speaker 2:I'm so scared that that's it's false.
Speaker 1:We don't need that, we can fix it way really easily.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm so scared that that's going to be the actual shift that happens when climate change is right upon us.
Speaker 1:It's just the cost of having it in the industry. You want to have an economy. You want to have Amazon packages. We're going to have rolling lightning storms.
Speaker 2:Now that's how it goes. What are you? A baby? You don't want to have lightning storms all the time.
Speaker 1:That is what they'll try to do. They'll try to normalize it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I'm not looking forward to that.
Speaker 1:It's normal to have super-reversed polar hurricanes every year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're like, isn't it great we're setting records every year? What, like no dude, the records we're setting is like high heat, low colds.
Speaker 1:Have you heard about wet bulb temperatures? Wet bulb temperatures.
Speaker 2:Wet bulb. I'm trying to even imagine what that would be.
Speaker 1:It's a term that means when you combine humidity and temperature into one number that's called the wet bulb temperature Fair. Okay. I don't know, I think it's because you put a wet cloth around a bulb and then that's the thermometer and you wave it around in the air and that gives you a temperature and it reads differently if it's wrapped in water.
Speaker 2:I can't tell if you're doing it in a bit or not. No, no, no, that's real. That's real. It's called wet bulb because the way you measure it's like a wet bulb. Well, it's definitely irrelevant because I mean, you know, the people who are like, dry heats differ from the human, but it is. It feels different.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so like, but there's a lot of parts like Western China and India where the wet bulb temperature is already starting to be inhospitable to human life for weeks at a time every year, and that will only extend and, just like, people will just leave those areas of the world. They won't be able to live there because people will all die, because you know you have to be inside air conditioning beyond what's possible to do for all day, every day, for weeks every year you know, at one time a year, and so, anyways, that's a big danger that's going to be.
Speaker 1:we've talked about this a little bit before, but it'll cause refugees and the refugees will destabilize everything Chain reaction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really not good.
Speaker 1:So and this is not, this is not inevitable Today, we could just keep fossil fuels in the ground. It wouldn't. I mean sure there'd be a transition, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's not. It's not, not doable. Right? We fought the Nazis, you know, we did other things. We can do this too.
Speaker 2:I hear you, okay, but by personal safety.
Speaker 1:Personal safety via bicycles, the safety bike lane is would be my first act as King.
Speaker 2:Susan B Anthony is our new patron saint, that's right A personal safety yeah. And, yeah, via the bicycle.
Speaker 1:Some common sense gun laws. But the bicycle is nobody's against, so you could do the bicycle the gun laws. You got these crazy people against them.
Speaker 2:I'm okay, let's start with.
Speaker 1:let's start with where we have consensus Paternity, maternity leave, safe for babies, safety.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Protected bike lanes, safety for bicyclists. So we got some common ground.
Speaker 2:We got some ground.
Speaker 1:Let's work on the ground. Healthcare.
Speaker 2:Healthcare. Some people nursing hotline Nursing hotline Find some things that people can all agree on.
Speaker 1:You know, Okay, that's it, that's my theory.
Speaker 2:That's my theory of change here today. I wish we could. I wish there was an easier way to test it out in reality.
Speaker 1:We just have.
Speaker 2:just look at history. Yeah, you don't have to. Yeah, you don't have to test. No, I don't mean test, I mean I wish that we could implement it.
Speaker 1:Oh, implement it Just like unilaterally, go like kaboom.
Speaker 2:Now we've saved it up.
Speaker 1:Yes, safe it up. No, it's not silver bullet, it's silver buckshot. So it's a hundred little silver bullets If you have to take care of like a pack of tiny werewolves attacking him.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, here they come.
Speaker 1:Pull out the silver buckshot, they're coming through the windows, one through each one, through each werewolf, silver buckshot, yep. Well, thanks everybody for listening.
Speaker 2:Thanks for coming in yeah, see you again next time. Keep it safe, check out the YouTube channel and come back Safe sex.
Speaker 1:We didn't even talk about how safe sex liberates people like crazy. I guess we'll have to do that next time. We didn't talk about all the safety there's, so much safety that liberates people. Safety liberates, I believe it. The safety dam. It's the easiest one, scott, you're so on board.
Speaker 2:Well, what am I going to argue on the side of danger? No, no, no, I'll be like, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I think everyone should be worried about it. You could say there's benefits to the things we do that are dangerous.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's like yeah.
Speaker 2:I want to wake up terrified and be extremely scared all through the day for my personal safety. I want to sign me up, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, you did a good job, all right.
Speaker 2:See you next time. Okay, bye, everybody, bye, I'll see you next time. Now I'm questioning whether or not I even said the right reference. Hold on a second. What position did Deion Sanders play? He was a defensive back and an outfielder over ID to baseball. He was one of those two sports freaks, all right, well, I'll try it next time. I don't know who a safety is.