Speaker 1: 0:00

Well, now you gave me a teaser before we were on mic and you said you have an update for a dose. Yeah, tell me this.

Speaker 2: 0:07

If anyone wants to roll back the real and they want to go back to the fruit toast episode sugar with half the consequences Okay, so since then I've talked to people and people have listened to that episode and talked to me about it and that there is universally one thing that is set universally. What's that?

Speaker 1: 0:27

Oh I can't believe.

Speaker 2: 0:29

Fruit is healthy, fruit is healthy.

Speaker 1: 0:32

Fruit is healthy. Fruit is healthy. So, universally, fruit is healthy. They all have this accent. This is what people say Fruit is healthy. Okay, fruit is healthy.

Speaker 2: 0:42

They say it in different ways, mad, like they're just letting me know so that I don't look like an idiot anymore in public. Fruit is healthy, okay Okay. Apple a day.

Speaker 1: 0:52

Apple a day keeps it going Okay.

Speaker 2: 0:56

I read from the Guardian from 2018. 2018.

Speaker 1: 1:01

Two years ago.

Speaker 2: 1:02

Five years ago From the Guardian here, oh sorry, the Daily Mail. Well, that's not a very good one. The Weather Channel. The Weather Channel reported on it. Okay, zookeepers in Australia no longer feed fruit to the animals. Lack of the Australian zookeepers no this is not just there, it's everywhere in the world. Zookeepers do not feed fruit you led with the Australian animals. Well, it's just, that's what the note, but there's other ones all over the world. People do not. They don't feed fruit to the animals anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Was it causing them to get like?

Speaker 2: 1:41

Because they were getting obese, because the fruit has been selectively bred for over a hundred years, for sweetness, and so for all you people out, there, wait a minute.

Speaker 2: 1:53

They've been giving me on the street and been like fruit is healthy. False, it's not true. Fruit is not healthy. It has probiotic, it has bio, it has fiber in it, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of that has been ripped away from us by selective breeding to make them as sweet as possible. If you buy, I don't know, some kind of weird heirloom version that was a hundred years old, first of all you won't like it because it won't have any sugar in it. But it'll be healthy because it'll be mostly fiber and vitamins Instead of like just chocolate sugar. So what do they feed instead of this? Says that gorillas go nuts for pine cones with mustard and squirted into it. So people stop coming up to me, stop telling me fruit. There are some low sugar fruits traditionally like blueberries. Even modern blueberries are not that Glycemic index.

Speaker 2: 2:46

And like, but if you eat a certainly mangoes yeah, lemons don't.

Speaker 1: 2:50

These are very low on sugar?

Speaker 2: 2:51

Pretty low, yeah, but if you eat dates or just pure sugar, grapes are there's almost nothing else but sugar. Grapes are just. You're just eating spoonfuls of sugar when you eat grapes, grape juice, I mean, now it's like that's just really crazy, you know, like that shouldn't even be allowed to be sold.

Speaker 1: 3:07

So bad for you. So delicious Is it though, grape juice. I can't drink it.

Speaker 2: 3:11

It's too sweet. So you just, you like. You like soda, yeah, I like sugar, yeah, you like soda.

Speaker 1: 3:16

I mean I like sugar too. Sugar is my thing. Some people are like they like savory stuff or salty stuff.

Speaker 2: 3:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:22

Sugar is definitely my thing.

Speaker 2: 3:23

I mean me too. You just saw me house like six cookies. I wasn't going to say anything, but they're low sugar cookies, or, but they're still cookies you know you needed energy for this, for this podcast.

Speaker 1: 3:34

I just I just am a hypocrite, but the point is, I'll be isolating that sound directly into the microphone, and you did get a soundboard where I can just play that anytime. I disagree, cool.

Speaker 2: 3:45

Anyway. So that's all great. Yeah, I mean fruits healthy.

Speaker 1: 3:49

It's yeah, everybody. Stop towing out of it, especially in that voice. It's not healthy, don't be.

Speaker 2: 3:53

don't be using that voice If you do want to eat fruit, you just have to eat less Like you want to eat a banana, just eat half a banana. If you want to eat an apple, eat a quarter of an apple you know, you know, don't, don't eat like a whole apple.

Speaker 1: 4:05

But bananas and apples don't save well, they get all like brown and eat the whole thing, but have you seen apples and bananas? It was the old deep rafi cut. I know apples and bananas, of course, oopholes and bananas.

Speaker 2: 4:19

Oopholes and bananas. I am very familiar. I like some oopholes and bananas. I haven't gone through a small child's growing up.

Speaker 1: 4:25

I know all the oopholes and bananas. Oh yeah, I do. Well, hey there everyone, I'm Adam Brouss.

Speaker 2: 4:43

I'm Scott Moppen. This is Solutions from the Multiverse.

Speaker 1: 4:45

Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 2: 4:47

This week we share a brand new solution that you've never heard before Can we talk about it.

Speaker 1: 4:52

Yeah, test it out and see what's up. Kick the tires. I like it. Yeah, wait a minute. You can't use that phrase. That's a car phrase. You're not allowed to use that phrase. You can kick bicycle tires.

Speaker 2: 5:02

Oh okay, You're going to have really paint me as a car hater.

Speaker 1: 5:06

I am not the one painting you as that. I'm not a car hater. You are a self-avowed car hater. Here's what.

Speaker 2: 5:10

I am. I am a traffic hater, just like everybody. Everybody hates traffic, so do.

Speaker 1: 5:15

I I'm not the Steven Soderbergh movie. Traffic no, I love that movie. I like that movie. No, I love that movie. Okay, so you're a traffic hater, I'm a car traffic hater.

Speaker 2: 5:23

I'm a Steven Soderbergh traffic lover.

Speaker 1: 5:26

It's a tough life for you. It's easy, it's a paradox, but it's good.

Speaker 2: 5:31

You know my brothers. They're twins, they're both doctors. You know what we call that Twin doctors Paradox.

Speaker 1: 5:37

Oh no.

Speaker 2: 5:41

Okay, so we have a solution. I'm so proud of you for that.

Speaker 1: 5:44

I just got to still sit in it for a second. I'm very proud of you, absorb. I have a nice smile on my face Paradox.

Speaker 2: 5:48

Okay, it is true too, I'm not lying they're twins and they're both physicians.

Speaker 1: 5:52

Same kind of physician.

Speaker 2: 5:54

No, one's a psychiatrist and one's a pulmonary specialist.

Speaker 1: 5:57

So you got a body guy and a mind guy, Brain guy yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:00

Yeah, yeah, body and brain covered wall. Oh and you need as a podiatrist.

Speaker 1: 6:05

And you cover the spirit right.

Speaker 2: 6:07

Oh, but I'm not a doctor yet. Are you working?

Speaker 1: 6:10

on being a doctor. I'm working on a PhD Heck yeah, and I have to call you Dr Brous.

Speaker 2: 6:14

Oh, that'd be great. One more Dr Brous in the house. All my family is all Dr Brous, my whole family, except for me. I'm the dullard. They introduced their like my son, dr Brous, my other son, dr Brous, and this is our son, adam, our stupid he's mostly paced.

Speaker 1: 6:33

We don't talk about that part.

Speaker 2: 6:34

He has a podcast. We're very not proud of him.

Speaker 1: 6:37

My son who has a doctor. My other son is a doctor and this son hosted podcasts.

Speaker 2: 6:42

They're like maybe you should like sandwich that in the middle, so it doesn't land so hard at the end there. No, then they have the younger son, also a doctor. Oh, you have more. My younger brother is a soil scientist. How many kids are in your family?

Speaker 1: 6:54

Four boys, four boys, three doctors I'm the dumb one, oh no.

Speaker 2: 6:57

I'm a professor, though I'm a professor, so I have the job of someone who has a PhD.

Speaker 1: 7:03

You have the ability to level up to professor, doctor, and then you can finally have one up on that right.

Speaker 2: 7:08

Then I'd be professor PhD. Yeah, that's good, yeah, nice. But yeah, I can tell you how I'm trying to get a PhD. Actually, everyone listening should know it's a kind of a solution.

Speaker 1: 7:17

Are you doing it through Elton College?

Speaker 2: 7:18

No, no no, no, no, because Elton College doesn't have a PhD program yet Okay, I grew up with mindset language.

Speaker 1: 7:25

Are you getting there?

Speaker 2: 7:26

I'm not doing it through what's called a PhD by publication. So instead of writing a dissertation so in America you have to do coursework and a dissertation I sure as hell will not be doing any coursework. I don't like going to classes.

Speaker 1: 7:41

Okay.

Speaker 2: 7:42

And it never really did and so I just want to do a dissertation. So in Europe you can do a PhD just with a dissertation. So I applied to a couple of programs in Europe. They rejected me.

Speaker 1: 7:52

We talked about this a little bit on the podcast, so I was trying to rework it and see if I could get in.

Speaker 2: 7:56

And then I found this thing no, you don't have to. You just go publish journal articles in reputable journals, which there's lots and you then get three to five publications. And once you have three to five publications you just go apply for you say here's my publications, and you write a little like a like 25 page explanation of your, the meaning of your publications, kind of how they hang together. And then you just pay a little money and you do an oral exam and you get a PhD. It's called PhD by Dispice by Publication.

Speaker 1: 8:28

What is the flavor of your PhD going to be? Ethics, philosophy, ethics. Yeah, nice Congratulations. Let me know I'm going to be in a little bit of a celebration here, yeah it'll be fun.

Speaker 2: 8:38

It's going to be years from now, but I'm almost done with the first paper. I actually wrote the whole first draft and then I realized it's trash and I have to rewrite it. So I'm going to rewrite the whole thing.

Speaker 1: 8:48

This is classic first draft of everything right.

Speaker 2: 8:52

First draft written. Never read shortest novel ever For sale.

Speaker 1: 8:59

For sale. One novel never read. That's how I do all my submissions to my literary agents.

Speaker 2: 9:09

For sale one novel, never read title. They return it back and they're, like you know, still never read no buy, we should die. Still for sale. That actually would be a good title of a book. At this point, I think our culture has degraded enough that that could be the title of a book and be like we've got to publish this. Okay, let's do a solution. I've got one.

Speaker 2: 9:30

This one's a little different. It's kind of emotional, emotional, okay, so it's not it. You know I'm not an expert. No, I mean, I was an expert here, certainly not.

Speaker 1: 9:41

I did not jump in, I was not not just about emotions but about everything.

Speaker 2: 9:46

We're just sort of two guys chatting, two guys chatting, and that should be what we call the. I think the podcast. We should just change the name to Scott's great idea show, because that the name is better and the logo you made is better. It's so much better.

Speaker 1: 10:02

Like it's just a general, like an image generation. It's great.

Speaker 2: 10:06

I looked at your Scott's great idea show and I was like, well, shoot, we should change it to look like that. That's so much better. It's fancy design, I guess. Yeah, it's really good. Maybe we should just change it. Still solutions to the multiverse, but have it look like that.

Speaker 1: 10:18

Have it look. We can certainly try to be cool. I can generate one.

Speaker 2: 10:21

I know the website, let's do it, let's generate away.

Speaker 1: 10:24

Okay.

Speaker 2: 10:25

So solution me what so? The solution is you should feel all your feelings. You should feel all your feelings, yes, and I'll say go even further and say each Emotion that human beings are hardwired to feel Mm-hmm has like a superpower. That's a very important for your life.

Speaker 1: 10:44

So we talked about last time the Pixar animation, so I understand the emotions are. Yes, which five sadness, happiness, disgust and anger.

Speaker 2: 10:53

And these are the classic inside out emotions joy and joy.

Speaker 1: 10:56

Five, of course the main character.

Speaker 2: 10:58

I'm a character, yeah, wait. No. I said happiness, that's all right to fear.

Speaker 1: 11:02

Did you say fear? I did not say fear, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 11:05

I'm afraid I don't acknowledge you exactly ever, subconscious. You've just did it. Oh yeah, I Got this idea because of therapy. My therapist gave me this great book back when I was in therapy. Oh, also solution from the multiverse. Just sideline yeah, therapy should be done in six month increments and then be stopped, and then you should have to reenroll. Think what, why?

Speaker 2: 11:32

because, if it's therapy forever, if the presumption is you just start therapy and you never end mm-hmm, that I think is bad. I think that's bad because then you aren't working towards like a, like a kind of well, I want to get better before six months is up, do you?

Speaker 1: 11:49

when you say reenroll, do you get to keep your same person?

Speaker 2: 11:52

or do you start over? Okay, I wouldn't want to have to re-retell the same stories? No, of course of course you just keep the same therapist and then I'm maybe. Better to switch therapists, you know, because now you get to actually that is probably a good idea. You do six months. I was just saying that's the one I don't want to have it. Yeah, but you might not want it to happen. But the point is, do you, you know? Are you trying to get healthier?

Speaker 1: 12:13

or not.

Speaker 2: 12:13

Are you just trying to kind of like talk to someone every week? I'm just trying not to have to repeat myself. Okay, we don't fight about therapy, but anyways, that's a side solution. I think therapy should be done in six month increments and maybe switch therapists like, have it be therapy seasons.

Speaker 1: 12:28

You know, you have a couple of year.

Speaker 2: 12:29

Yeah, yeah, that makes three or four year.

Speaker 1: 12:32

I thought you were saying like you would make a mandatory downtime where people had to like process what they just did for that six months. But that's expecting a lot of people.

Speaker 2: 12:42

Well, I mean the time in between when you stop working the therapist and you work with the next one. You'd probably do that. Okay, anyways. But so so this book. This guy gave me this great book that was called. It's a stupid title, but it's a good book. It's called Live life, like you mean it, stupid title but good book.

Speaker 2: 12:59

Okay, it's all about feelings, feeling all your feelings, and it's wonderful. You know, I mean I didn't even really need therapy as much as I needed just that book. So read the book and the guy explains that feelings are like really important and every call I've what I've found then since then, since I've talked to a lot of people and yeah, and they independently will tell me this.

Speaker 2: 13:19

They'll say, oh, I'm working on feeling various feelings better and I'll be like I had the same experience, like what are you going through? And I've had really different people tell me different things, but it generally goes down cultural lines and gender. Gender and cultural lines interesting.

Speaker 1: 13:34

So tell me more.

Speaker 2: 13:35

Lay the land of what I've heard, and this is I'm not a scientist, I don't know what I this is not like. A lot of the times I'll cite things that are, like, research based. I have not researched this, so this is just saying the experiences I've had with other people, but it seemed like. It seems like and and and this is agreed with by the people I talked to that women Repress anger a lot and they've all they have a complicated relationship with anger. I yeah, that could make sense because, like, if you're angry as a woman, you get all this negative Responses like ah, you know, bitch, or whatever.

Speaker 1: 14:09

Well, yeah, angry woman. No, it's that if you kick off an anger, like men sometimes will get Rageful and irate and not have to worry about their personal safety being directly.

Speaker 2: 14:20

Yes, I compromise because of that because you're gonna physical altercation.

Speaker 1: 14:24

I might learn to be like you know what I'm gonna modify, what I would naturally say if all things were equal, and Gonna make sure I don't set off any psychos in my general Right.

Speaker 2: 14:34

very good points, so they were like pushing down or kind of reformatting their anger. Sure, preventing themselves from really that would make sense. Another one I noticed is that East Asian people also Repress anger. They think can culturally consider anger to be just a complete trash Emotion okay, just bad, like the urge to steal. It's the same like anger is just a bad thing. That seems more evolved. Honestly, it does, but it doesn't work. No well, we'll talk about no, classically.

Speaker 1: 15:06

I think if you bottle up your anger it classically never goes. I've heard that that work Right, perfect. Oh yeah, never works outside ways.

Speaker 2: 15:12

No, no, it just stays down in there forever Turn into, like domestic violence or anything doesn't turn into alcohol is no problem. So don't it just down with brown, you know down what, oh, no you drink whiskey to push down your emotions?

Speaker 1: 15:26

Yeah, I'm glad you explain that, because that sounds just as a phrase. Really, I might be saying down with nazi is in the brown shirts, down with brown, you might be but I think you would also have to explain, because I feel like the inherent, like the normal Decoding of that would be a little different.

Speaker 2: 15:44

Okay, so another cultural one German people, I think from being raised in a German family.

Speaker 1: 15:49

Yes.

Speaker 2: 15:49

American family. I think we don't do fear Well, and we also don't like I also don't do sadness.

Speaker 1: 15:57

Well, is this a weird like way to self-compliment yourself?

Speaker 2: 16:00

You're like, I'm just so courageous and brave, because it's not courageous it's, it's, it's dissociating.

Speaker 1: 16:06

I don't even feel fear, bro, I don't even know what that bullets bounce off me, be afraid maybe you.

Speaker 2: 16:11

I have no clue what that's, what we'll get to these things are actually see there, see, they're considered negative. Fear is negative. There's negative associations with it anger, negative associations with it. No, what I'm suggesting and what I hope the solution for today is to say that there's captain feelings. That's really the solution. I Captain feelings like Captain Planet five rings. The energy rings come together make Captain Planet.

Speaker 1: 16:35

Really, we should reference this Captain feelings. People know Captain Planet.

Speaker 2: 16:40

Every feeling actually has a positive energy that can come together and make your life better if you can understand how that feeling works, and this is what I think should be what we call emotional intelligence. But when I've looked around at emotional intelligence, materials and stuff, sometimes they talk about this, but I think a lot of times they talk more about identifying feelings that maybe other people are feeling Like oh you hurt Susie's feelings and that's like emotional intelligence which it sort of is like empathy or whatever.

Speaker 2: 17:14

But I think there's something more potent to, or there's something important about talking about understanding how each feeling is positive. It could have negative things, but it can be positive and you have to really find that positivity in it.

Speaker 1: 17:29

I mean we're back to inside out, because I hate to relate something to movies.

Speaker 2: 17:32

This is inside out. No, it is, that's not true. I love to relate things to movies.

Speaker 1: 17:34

This is what inside out's about that whole thing is about, like every feeling has a purpose. You can't just shut out sadness, and it goes all well, right.

Speaker 2: 17:43

Well, I think, inside out though, they pretty much just talk about sadness.

Speaker 1: 17:47

That's their rich pin-pot Fear and anger still are treated like maybe and even good disgust seems useless, but I feel like the overall thing is that all of them are useful, like if it had been written where anger was tried to excise, there'd be a different issue.

Speaker 2: 17:59

But what good did anger do? Anger drove her to go, get on the bus and run away. He didn't ever fix anything.

Speaker 1: 18:04

I don't know, they would have figured out something.

Speaker 2: 18:06

No, I think that's the problem. Well, that's a good movie, because it shows that sadness has a benefit, and so the superpower of sadness is inviting tenderness, right? If you're sad that everyone around you comes towards you with love, right, that's great. That's the superpower of sadness. If you walk around and you're never sad around anyone, you never feel your sadness or show that you're sad you won't be able to accept love you won't be able to feel that tenderness coming towards you, and so that's the example of sadness and that's what that movie's about and that's great.

Speaker 2: 18:45

But what I think people should understand is it's captain feelings. All five Happiness seems to be an obvious positive right? Yeah, joy, joy is just great. You want to have joy, you want to have joyful lives, right, it's great to feel joyful.

Speaker 1: 19:00

I mean, in order to build the feelings, voltron, we need all five lions right or feeling Power Ranger. It's all really modern. Five, you know yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:11

Maybe that's always why it's five, right? So yeah, so they all have a superpower.

Speaker 1: 19:18

Okay.

Speaker 2: 19:19

So, for example, fear helps you stay safe. Yeah, stay safe and shun evil.

Speaker 1: 19:25

Yeah, can you imagine if you had no fear? That's a recipe, for you know someone who's like super. Some people, after like a head injury, are sometimes like overly reckless or something like that. Yeah, it's a problem, right? Not enough fear, yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:39

But also shunning evil. So someone who's extremely fearless, also is willing to sort of do like kind of associate or be involved in evil things, sure. So they're like yeah, we can crack some eggs to make an omelet. Like, maybe we do need to like hurt someone for our goal because we're brave and hurting people is scary, but we're brave.

Speaker 1: 20:04

An exercise I do all the time, which is what's the worst case scenario? They do that check and they're like don't care Nothing. There isn't one. There's no worst case scenario.

Speaker 2: 20:13

This is all gonna go great, let's just make the car go 100 miles an hour, you know, like whatever. Yeah, so fear not only will make it so that you're safer and make your community safer, but it'll also make you shun evil more, because evil is scary. Yeah, so, in a way, fear which we treat as being like even you just right, when I said it, you were like oh, being fearful is like you know. You were like that, you know was like a negative response, which is normal.

Speaker 2: 20:41

I think we all have a normal negative response to fear. Actually, fear can be, should be and could be like cultivated in people's hearts and minds in a positive way.

Speaker 1: 20:55

Wait now, let me. You're saying you want to strike fear into the hearts of evil doers. Is this, is this where you're going with this Browse? Are we getting back to your desire to be Batman every week?

Speaker 2: 21:08

I want to be one of the basic superheroes. I want to be one of the A grade.

Speaker 1: 21:12

Criminals are cowardly, superstitious and cowardly lot famously.

Speaker 2: 21:17

No, no, criminals are too fearless, right, they're too fearless. They don't fear the law, they don't fear the harm of their actions, they don't fear the repercussions.

Speaker 1: 21:28

They don't have enough fear, well and a lot of fear is thinking outside of the immediate moment. You're imagining what the repercussions, the effects of the cause and effect chain instead of just worrying about the cause of what's happening. So fear can be really positive. I've heard a quote about fear that I love.

Speaker 1: 21:47

I heard it probably ten years ago and it sticks with me always. Well, it's more about anger, but it says anger is hot fear. It's like an old Buddhist proverb. If you are feeling anger, you kind of like dive in and look and somewhere at the bottom is fear. There's a fear triggering and causing that. I've latched onto that because I examined it myself, because I deal with anger and fear too and I'm, like it seems, pretty right on whenever.

Speaker 2: 22:13

I do the exercise. So, yeah, that's what this guy in this book talked about too. He said that feelings that we feel uncomfortable with because largely because- it was the way we were raised.

Speaker 1: 22:23

This is the live life like you mean it.

Speaker 2: 22:25

Because the way we were raised, we were given fluency around some feelings but disfluency around others. He doesn't use this language. He talks about feeling phobia. I don't like that. Again, the book is. It has a good core idea, but it's not packaged well.

Speaker 1: 22:42

You would give it an edit and change stuff. Yeah, I would give it an edit.

Speaker 2: 22:45

But it is easy to read. I think that's the best part about it. You don't have to have some kind of PhD to read it, you can just read it and it makes sense to everyone.

Speaker 1: 22:52

But he says yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:53

so we have this kind of fluency or adroitness with some and we have this kind of maledroitness or disfluency with others, and when we have that disfluency we take refuge in the feelings we do feel comfortable in. So when we're scared, if we're not very good at dealing with fear or seeing the positive side of fear and manipulating fear into positivity in our lives, we go take refuge in the feelings we do know how we feel more comfortable in, or we feel more adroit in, yeah, and with men. That's like you're saying that. The same is my experience too. You feel, you feel afraid, you feel worried, which is the same as fear. Worry is just another kind of fear where you feel sad and maybe you don't know how to feel sad. You just go feel angry because men were told in every movie and every book and every video game and every song Society can be angry.

Speaker 1: 23:43

Yeah, that's the acceptable one Totally not allowed to be afraid or scared, and very few consequences for being angry right, that's just like oh, you're angry.

Speaker 2: 23:51

As long as you don't kill somebody, you're fine to just be angry, it does have a yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:56

There's unfortunate positive where, like, yeah, that's good to do anger but not sadness or fear.

Speaker 2: 24:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:03

Men crying how dare you, yeah right. Or even being scared. Men killing thumbs up.

Speaker 2: 24:08

Yeah, super angry because they did something. Literally every movie is John Wick that killed his dog. He's sad and so then he goes in his angry the whole time and kills a bunch of people. Yeah, it's like Jesus Christ, it's a good dog man.

Speaker 1: 24:23

I understand that was one good dog. Yeah, I think it was a good dog.

Speaker 2: 24:29

Is that your Keanu?

Speaker 1: 24:30

Reeves, that's my Keanu.

Speaker 2: 24:31

Oh God, I can't even remember where the solution is anymore.

Speaker 1: 24:34

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:34

Captain Feelings, Captain Feelings, yeah, wait, let me tell you. Let me tell you I was trying to brainstorm what the benefits of the other feelings are. So another one is disgust, which also wasn't really taken up very well in the inside out.

Speaker 1: 24:47

Yeah, that was a Mindy Kaling character.

Speaker 2: 24:50

But if you think about it disgust properly, like positively. It's positive force in your life is honor, right, conchianchusness and cleanliness. How is I mean.

Speaker 1: 25:05

I'm sure there's a how is disgust linked to honor Like how do you? What's that pathway?

Speaker 2: 25:09

Because your honor is the sort of the opposite of you know disgusting behavior. Disgust keeps you from doing yeah, dishonorable things.

Speaker 1: 25:17

Yeah, dishonorable things, Because you're like I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I was that type of person.

Speaker 2: 25:21

But yeah, so disgust actually protects you from shameful acts, from dirty things, Okay, From having a home that's messy and a pigsty, you know, and having a life that's not full of healthful good, you know things. I mean drugs, Probably keeps you from eating like rancid meat yeah protects you from and even just unhealthy food, you know if you get disgusted by. If you know this is not healthy, then if you have a strong sense of disgust, it will prevent you from wanting the things that you know are disgusting.

Speaker 1: 25:56

Now my 10 year old daughter's sense of disgust keeps her from wanting to eat like salads and broccoli and very healthy things. Yeah, so it's not quite.

Speaker 2: 26:05

Maybe they're just not cooked properly, they're not quite tuned in. How dare you Like?

Speaker 1: 26:08

I used to hate salads until someone made me like a really good salad, until someone cooked the salad properly for you.

Speaker 2: 26:13

Hot lettuce Put that thing in an air fryer.

Speaker 1: 26:15

You take this salad, take this Caesar salad and throw it in the microwave for me, friend.

Speaker 2: 26:19

Oh yeah, I want to bring it up to temp, really cooked. Yeah, put a temp thermometer in that salad bowl.

Speaker 1: 26:26

No, there's definitely something to be said about someone who knows their way around food, making the food versus like I don't know throwing things together, like if someone's like oh, salad, eat this spinach, I'm like gross.

Speaker 2: 26:36

But if someone's like oh look, I put strawberries and goat milk and you know, like a vinegar strawberry vinaigrette I'm like give me that salad.

Speaker 2: 26:44

Just give me that salad. That sounds delicious. So I mean, yeah, you got them. Also, I don't know kids. Kids are weird. Like I swear to God. I've seen kids eat like just crackers for two years and they grow like a foot and a half and put on like 50 pounds of like muscle and bone. I'm like I don't think that's how did they do that? They didn't eat any protein. They're weird.

Speaker 1: 27:04

Yeah, you're right, the bodies are weird and then when you're an adult, you have those habits locked in and your body's like no, I'll be normal, You're like no. Still put on 50 pounds, but it was not quite in the right way.

Speaker 2: 27:17

Yeah, those crackers are good though. All right, so disgust is useful. You got me on there, fear. You've kind of talked about Safe fight evil. Bring me to anger. Why is anger helpful? Okay.

Speaker 1: 27:28

Because I don't think. Yeah, I don't think of one right off.

Speaker 2: 27:31

I know, because we have a very we have especially in our culture. Now I think we're starting to kind of be very anti-anger.

Speaker 1: 27:38

But if you think, about it.

Speaker 2: 27:40

Anger directed towards bullies is great. Anger directed towards injustices are great.

Speaker 1: 27:50

Anger is sort of a fuel, yeah, and like an internal fuel, that can help you do something like do action, yeah, move you to action, yeah, right, okay.

Speaker 2: 28:03

So if you find an environment that needs to be changed, anger is the accurate and positive response. Now, not blow up and knock over. You know, not, not crazy. You know, not lose your mind. Anger, but you know, if you're sitting there and you say this upsets me, this situation should be different than it is. They're angry and they should be angry, and then they can. They can use that to drive the change that needs to happen.

Speaker 1: 28:29

No, I mean, and maybe every, maybe every emotion has sort of a off kilter, extreme version. That's not good. I mean even joy, it's like when you get manic it's not good anymore, you know. Or when you have sadness it's fine, but when you get to depression it's not good anymore.

Speaker 2: 28:46

You know fear is good, but if you are petrified of everything you know, there's an extreme version so maybe anger is fine, but rage is right Is the version of wrath or something like that is like no, no, no, no, no, Now we're, now we're off kilter or just, or just. I mean even wrath, I think is good, as long as it's highly focused.

Speaker 1: 29:06

Okay, mr Sevenkiller, as.

Speaker 2: 29:07

Long as it's highly focused and controlled. You know it's like a laser. Like you can laser, you can use a laser to cure somebody's eye. You know cataracts in their eyes.

Speaker 1: 29:18

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:19

But you know, if you, you know so.

Speaker 1: 29:20

so lasers can be useful to speak metaphorically, like, if you really like, for example like I don't think that For lasers, we don't have Tupac showing up at Coachella in hologram form, which means so they're definitely.

Speaker 2: 29:33

We're deprived of Tupac hologram, holographic Tupac.

Speaker 1: 29:38

That's the highest form of laser you should, that's the top.

Speaker 2: 29:41

That's the peak. That's the peak Peak lasers. They're not really eye surgery, but you're right. Well, I surgery is number two doesn't, like the James Webb space telescope, use lasers? No, it doesn't. They probably did use lasers to, like you know, make it.

Speaker 1: 29:56

Laser telescopes, right, I think so that's how they bounce.

Speaker 2: 30:00

They bounce the light off of things and Wouldn't you have to let it go all the way there and all the way back? It would never, it wouldn't be practical. No, I think they shoot it and see him.

Speaker 1: 30:09

How much is like absorbed by thing. I can't talk. I can't talk knowledge about space, but the point is lasers.

Speaker 2: 30:16

That's the point.

Speaker 1: 30:17

Okay, you were doing this.

Speaker 2: 30:23

Anyways. So, captain, feeling so that. So the trick is to feel all your feelings. I was talking to a young, youngish woman who was saying she's she's Indian woman, south southern Asian, and she, she was saying I'm really learning how to feel all my feelings. And she was really. She said the real big block and like what she didn't know how to deal with was anger, and she was getting into it, she was loving it, she was like I'm really embracing and starting to understand how to like, feel angry and then use it positively, because otherwise it burns out of control or you suppress it and it goes underground. But if you really learn how to use it, I think a lot of men actually who don't have anger issues, men, they're all generally pretty good at anger because it's such a well, an okay emotion for men to feel sure Encourage, yeah, totally from or not discouraged yeah and so, and so it was so cool to hear her describing like Starting to really understand how she can use that to like change her life for the better.

Speaker 2: 31:25

Interesting. Go into a workplace and like tell people right to their faces like this isn't acceptable for me, we're not gonna do it this way, we're gonna do it this way and everyone goes okay and she's like that felt good. It's like yeah, that's great. You know she's using anger in this super positive way interest and same thing in her like home. She's like this is how I use my anger like to protect my kids. Like I don't want to be angry at my kids and have them think of me as like angry, but I do want to change things about the way their behavior is or the way you know the household is working, and so she she did these really creative ways to like actually use her anger but not have it be this negative. Oh, mom's angry thing.

Speaker 1: 32:04

So it's very cool grocery shopping. I'm very angry. I come home and I just whip the peaches Into the refrigerator no peaches, they're too sweet no. Stone fruit no good.

Speaker 2: 32:16

No, fine. Okay, peaches, no, millions of peaches, blueberries, peaches from peaches, yeah, bananas yeah, but anyway. So yeah, that was really cool to hear her Getting to this level of adroitness and fluency with anger that she was just now she was deprived from because her society told her angry anger is bad and women can't feel angry or be angry ever and also can't really change their situations. They're kind of a lot, you know locked in to.

Speaker 1: 32:44

Just in order to become captain feelings, you have to exactly in touch with all five. You know, you can't, you can't leave one out. Yeah, you come Voltron.

Speaker 2: 32:52

Yeah, that's so, that's the idea everybody feel your feelings. So probably if you're listening, to wait how do we do it? What? Let's leave someone with everyone, so everyone should just make a tally in their mind or write it down.

Speaker 1: 33:03

Okay, there's just five feelings. Every other feeling is a subcategory of those five you know, yeah, and if you forget, just go watch inside out. Watch inside out, it's perfect.

Speaker 2: 33:11

And then everyone? No one, I've never, I mean, maybe some people are just like talented from their upbringing and they're just captain feelings, naturally, sure, but most people have a draughtness with two or three emotions and maladroidness with two, like one or two emotions.

Speaker 2: 33:26

Makes sense, so I would just give yourself a score card and if you've don't, if you say well, I don't feel that feeling, ever give yourself a zero, because that means that's the one You're the worst at, because everyone needs all five to work like, to even operate in the world you can't.

Speaker 1: 33:39

I mean, it's just part of human nature and then your score tells you what to focus on. Yeah, enhancing, or anything.

Speaker 2: 33:45

start, yeah get in touch with. Oh man, I never feel fear. That means you do feel fear all the time and you don't know what fear you shut it down. You're so walled off and so look for the feelings you're going to hide in so okay. Look at all the times you're angry and say maybe I'm fearful. Like you said, fear. Fear is hot anger.

Speaker 1: 34:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:06

And and and say, oh man, I'm sad all the time, like I've met. I've met I think is also somewhat gendered, you know. I mean what we're saying is somewhat gendered, but I think it's rightfully gendered. You know, you'll meet, maybe like a girl who's like sad all the time, but maybe really she's angry, but she's not allowed to like express her anger in a positive way, so she just gets sad, which knocked off to the next yeah to the one that's comfortable.

Speaker 2: 34:29

I'm comfortable with, or that she has a droidness with, or that's socially acceptable. I don't want to get totally into like what's socially acceptable, because then that makes people into victims. I just think society, you become a droid with certain emotions. You become capable and, okay, fluent in them, sure, and so when you encounter an emotion you're not as fluent with, you generally Poach over to the one you are fluent in. Yeah, and part marley have to do with society and blah blah. But I don't want to blame society. I just want to say everyone can move into their other emotions. Society won't stop you. You won't go to jail, you know. You know we're not in Iran or like, an angry woman will be jailed. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 35:10

Like you can be angry, and if you're doing it badly, you probably will be, it'll be clear like you're being maladroit with it If you just say I'm not very good at anger so I'm just gonna be pissed all the time it's not good, that's not exactly or like I just want to be. I've never felt sad before, and now I really understand sadness better, so I'm just gonna mope around to be sad all the time. Not doesn't work either. You know you're looking for a balance, essentially.

Speaker 1: 35:36

Well, it's not a droidness.

Speaker 2: 35:38

It's that like using it really effectively, really tapping into it as an energy in your life, rather than seeing it as you know, just a thing that overtakes you and then you're just a wash in it. Oh, I can't, I just I'm a wash in this emotion. It's like no, it's. It's an energy that you can, that you can tap into. Your fear can make you. You know, I yeah, fear leads to anger.

Speaker 1: 36:01

Anger leads to the dark side.

Speaker 2: 36:03

No to what is it to the dark?

Speaker 1: 36:06

side. No, there's one in between anger and the dark side right.

Speaker 2: 36:09

Anger leads to fear.

Speaker 1: 36:10

Fear leads to light savers.

Speaker 2: 36:12

Fear leads to light savers.

Speaker 1: 36:15

Light savers lead to the force. The force. I'm going to have to edit out that part earlier where you said you were Mr Syfy, because you can't. Oh well, we can't do this.

Speaker 2: 36:26

Star Wars isn't Syfy. Star Wars is a space opera. Star Wars isn't Syfy.

Speaker 1: 36:33

It's a space opera, it's the Syfy.

Speaker 2: 36:38

When they asked, when they asked, when they asked uh Luke, uh, george Lucas, what are you working on? When he was working on Star Wars, when he was pitching it to people, he said I'm pitching Knights of the Round Table, but played as Samurai's in outer space.

Speaker 1: 36:50

Okay, and people were like good luck with that.

Speaker 2: 36:54

That sounds like a really crazy pitch Right? Well, cool, that's Captain Feelings.

Speaker 1: 37:01

I like it. I think this is a good solution right.

Speaker 2: 37:04

A lot of times our solutions are very deep and deep personal, like society, democracy, blah, blah blah, how other people should behave, how the government should work or something. This one is very like, yeah, personal, and we were able to be a little vulnerable.

Speaker 1: 37:17

Share. I got the quote. It is Yoda and he says fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. So there's obviously some.

Speaker 2: 37:31

Star Wars fans out there listening to that.

Speaker 1: 37:33

who are like thank you, they were streaming at their phones. Yeah, and like how do these dum-dums not know this? I hope.

Speaker 2: 37:41

Captain, feelings is a solution that really connects with people.

Speaker 1: 37:44

I hope so I hope it's not like oh, you have to have some opinion either, and maybe there's someone out there who just this is the little push to get over the hill of like being okay with an emotion that they were a little bit standoffish with and just no emotions. Bad If you are sitting here thinking you're wrong this emotion is bad, disgust is not good.

Speaker 2: 38:02

You should just remove all discussing things from your life. You can never feel disgust and disgust is bad, and if you feel disgust, you should just escape it as quickly as possible. It's like I'm telling you. I'm here to tell you, not true? So if they're sitting there listening and they have a feeling like, well, I'm not sure if they're listening to this, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1: 38:18

If they're sitting there listening and they have a feeling like we don't know what we're talking about, that's valid. They should go with that right. No, because I'm not. That's wrong. That feeling is wrong.

Speaker 2: 38:28

You're using feeling metaphorically. I don't like this.

Speaker 1: 38:32

I was using it instead of opinion.

Speaker 2: 38:34

Yeah, exactly, you're like I feel like this is an issue. I feel like climate change is bad. It's like you don't feel like climate change is bad. You can only feel five things the five emotions, that's feelings. You might think climate change is bad. You might opine that climate change is bad. You might believe that climate change is bad. You don't feel that it's bad. No, I enjoy that climate change is bad. You enjoy. Climate change gives me a lot of feelings, mostly anger to change it, and fear and disgust because it's dirty.

Speaker 1: 39:05

Right and fear because it's going to destroy things. A lot of sadness, really. Joy is the only one that doesn't show up. Joy is the only Well. San Francisco's going to be a little nicer. There's going to be giant waves, giant waves.

Speaker 2: 39:18

Yeah, there isn't really much joy around climate change. All right, this is fantastic.

Speaker 1: 39:24

Thank you, we got it. Feelings, whatever your power rangers feel whatever your era, of five things coming into one that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 2: 39:37

Get out there, feel those feelings Come back next week.

Speaker 1: 39:42

Subscribe.

Speaker 2: 39:42

There's one thing he says in the book that's really good, which he says happiness is actually the harmony of your feelings. I think, captain, feelings is itself happiness.

Speaker 1: 39:50

Happiness is the harmony of your feelings, yeah, so if you're able to do all five feelings really, positively and harmoniously.

Speaker 2: 39:57

That is the definition of happiness. Happiness isn't just getting everything you want. Happiness isn't like All the things people say happiness is. It might be this it might be that if you can get captain feelings, you can get them. It might be that if you can get captain feelings firing Voltron, if all the legs and arms come together, then that might actually be happiness itself, independent of what you own or anything, really, because people can be happy who have very little.

Speaker 1: 40:27

Right or great Gatsby style. People can get everything in the world Because their emotions are all out of whack.

Speaker 2: 40:33

So anyways, sorry, I cut you off. Yes, people should subscribe.

Speaker 1: 40:38

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Speaker 2: 40:40

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Speaker 1: 40:46

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Speaker 2: 40:49

This is nobody's, if they are welcome and you can also just let this play and it'll probably play the next episode Like the previous or the next, just let it ride as long as there's no climate disaster before we record it. Keep it climity, keep it climity everyone. Keep it climity, thank you.