Speaker 1: 0:01

Well, I told you, because we're on zoom right now I told you I had some surprises in store, because you gave me a little bit of heads up and I woke up early. So how about this?

Speaker 2: 0:13

How about this? Oh, now your head is a side view and a forward view. I don't understand.

Speaker 1: 0:20

What am I looking at? Why would you have two?

Speaker 2: 0:23

Wait, that means you must have two cameras.

Speaker 1: 0:25

Wait, how about this? Oh, hello what.

Speaker 2: 0:29

Oh hello. So you just why have you Hi?

Speaker 1: 0:34

Now there's a sky camera of me.

Speaker 2: 0:36

Okay, are you about to say hello and another one's going to pop up? What about this? What is that? What's?

Speaker 1: 0:41

going on here, what?

Speaker 2: 0:43

is that? Oh, is that your?

Speaker 1: 0:44

screen. It's a screen. It's a YouTube screen.

Speaker 2: 0:47

Whoa, so is this for like streaming? Can you stream all this Well?

Speaker 1: 0:51

I just got a little bit into the OBS software and I was like we could watch stuff technically and react to it and record and do a video type streaming.

Speaker 1: 1:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that, but no part of me is just being silly and I think it's pretty funny and I will. That one needs to go away. But I like these two. I could always look something up and it's like right here on the screen. I just looked up cool visuals and that's what came up, nice, and I was like we could do stuff this way and it ups the production value. This doesn't have to be in the pot at all, I'm just saying that's cool.

Speaker 1: 1:32

This is essentially my cat camera, so if my cats come and do something cute, I can show it happening.

Speaker 2: 1:40

Oh my God, and it's just because I saw it real tight Like a stick, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:44

I needed to update my webcam game, so I have my old ones in play, so anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:50

Very cool.

Speaker 1: 1:53

That's the exciting thing. Is this distracting? Is this a little distracting?

Speaker 2: 1:56

No, no, it's not distracting at all. I like to be able to see every contour of your skin on your nose. Keeps me focused. It's like a replacement for coffee. All right, I'll take it away. Well, hey everyone. Hello, my name is Adam Brown. My name is Scott Moppen. This is solutions from the multiverse. Oh, are we going to do the whole podcast synced up?

Speaker 1: 2:36

Yes, Okay start now. Today.

Speaker 2: 2:39

Every two days. Fire route Didn't work.

Speaker 1: 2:46

Can I do a shout out here at the top of the show, of course, before we get into your, before we get into your deal today? Sure, because we got actually an email to our email address. This is a good time as any to plug that. We have an email address solutions from the multiverse at gmailcom and we got an email from Steven Guarino and he said that he was responding to the sticks and leaves episode a few a few back about sleeping outside, your solution to sleeping outside and said that his dad has been doing that for a long time and that our solution like just hearing that randomly and the thing that overlapped with his life was like really cool and he really enjoyed that episode. So I wanted to say thanks for reaching out and encourage anyone else. If you want to write us, that would be fantastic. I love hearing from him.

Speaker 2: 3:34

Yeah, he said. He said he kind of had a hard time like having compassion and understanding his dad's choice to sleep in his car a lot, and and then when we said that I explained that it's just extremely delightful, like it's extremely pleasurable, His dad said the same thing. His dad has the means to sleep inside if he wanted to.

Speaker 1: 3:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:56

And his dad decides to sleep out in his car and you'd say, well, the car's inside, it's like no, he leaves the door, the windows like open and cracked or whatever, and he just says when he wakes up, it's like the air is in the car and he feels like he slept. You know, he slept, he likes it better, and so by hearing me talk about this actually made him be able to sort of kind of forgive his dad for doing this kind of socially unacceptable thing. And it was cool. It was a cool email.

Speaker 1: 4:20

It was a really cool email.

Speaker 2: 4:21

I felt like wow, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:24

That was really cool. So thank you very much, stephen, for writing in and and I'm happy that episode hit you, hit for you that way, so yeah, yeah, I, yeah, we do this.

Speaker 2: 4:36

That's why we do this. You know, new ideas Not only can change the world, they can change our feelings about the world. Oh wow.

Speaker 1: 4:43

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:43

Change our feelings.

Speaker 1: 4:45

Welcome to the Lifetime Podcast Network. Yes, oprah is here with us.

Speaker 2: 4:51

We're going to have tears of joy, tears of sadness. Yeah, well, that's great. Okay, should we go straight into the solution? See, that would require me to have a solution that we were going to talk about today. Yeah, I spent all week preparing a Dungeons and Dragons campaign. Oh no, so that is solution, if I solution is like I don't know.

Speaker 2: 5:15

No, I have a list here I can look, but yeah, I don't know which one I'll pick, but this Dungeons and Dragons went really well though, so I can say that, all right, I have a solution, I have a solution. I want to hear your solution. Let's hear it. Okay.

Speaker 2: 5:29

So one of the one of the kind of one of the kind of funny things about solutions on a business that we've noticed as a trend is that we like approach problems or I, sometimes my brain approaches problems and solutions kind of by like.

Speaker 2: 5:43

Well, let me put it this way, when you're starting a company, this is all run up, which I know I'm not supposed to do, but I kind of want to give a little disclaimer here because I think it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 5:52

Yeah, so when you run a company or you build a product, I can, I can say because this is what I do, I teach people how to do this, and I've done this before Customers know what's wrong with your product, but they don't know how to fix it, like nine times out of 10.

Speaker 2: 6:05

Sometimes someone will know how to fix the problem, but mostly they're just like this sucks and, and you have to listen to them about what sucks, but you kind of don't have to listen to them about what they think the solution is, because they don't really know, because they're not experts, right, usually, usually I'm sure doctors feel the same way, right, like the patient knows they're sick, they're hurting, but they don't really know the solution because they don't know how, like their pancreas works or whatever, right? So it's kind of like you have to take take problems from one area but then take solutions from another area, and I feel like that's a that's a good way to think about America right now in terms of like the right and the left wing, like I think you should really look at what the right wing says are like problems or vice versa, like you can kind of take problems from one side and solutions from the other and kind of create like this interesting, almost like it's a combined combination of two part of the partisan sides.

Speaker 2: 6:57

Anyways, so today we're going to talk about marriage and family and family Okay. Because, you know, the left wing has this thing where they're like families are just a construct. People can just come together, come apart. Everyone's just a sovereign. You know, an individual who can like whatever.

Speaker 1: 7:13

Okay.

Speaker 2: 7:14

But then they also say there's a huge problem with loneliness and like there's a huge problem with, like political power in this country and it's like, well, the solution to that might be the right wing people saying like the family is really important and actually it's like a really it's a solution to a lot of problems and so, and so I'm going to kind of try to riff, like everyone on this podcast probably knows that I'm pretty left wing, but actually I think this question about the family is actually pretty important, like building strong families.

Speaker 1: 7:42

You like what the right marriages or aspects of that perspective.

Speaker 2: 7:47

Aspirationally yes, aspirationally. I don't like what they usually come up with for their solutions. Like their solutions are like so make it illegal for people to divorce. Like that's insane. Like you could be in a horrible situation and divorce would be like the perfect thing in some cases, so why would you do that? But or they do things like you know. They want to like reduce women's place in the world so that women are like have fewer options, and I'm like that is so stupid.

Speaker 1: 8:14

There's like there's conflict between men and women in the workplace and they're like well then, if women aren't in the workplace, then the conflicts avoid it. You're like, no, no, no, no, that's not solving it correctly, that's not the direction. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 8:27

So I'm going to propose that, I'm going to propose just a simple thing that's very concrete, because I like that like plausible, concrete could be done and I think it would just improve people. Marriages especially not not whole. I'm not going to go whole families, I don't even have family. I just have a married wife, but you know, and that is and that is this Okay, so I got, I got married recently, about about this year.

Speaker 2: 8:55

Congratulations yeah thank you, thank you, and we went to the. You know, no matter how you do your marriage in California, at least you have to like go to the state house and like get the paperwork, like the marriage license, and then you have to like get it signed and then drop it off again.

Speaker 1: 9:11

There's a legal aspect of it that makes it official. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:16

And for us, like, I just did that all in person because it's like it's like a 20 minute bus right off the road. So instead of like mailing it and wondering, oh no, is it in the mail, I just physically like carried it there and did this or, you know, physically went and got it, physically went and brought it back. You know, okay, and that means that the state house has like a contact point with like almost everyone who gets married. Right, the state has this contact point, okay, and they, they leveraged that to give me a packet, a pack. They gave me this like packet.

Speaker 2: 9:45

That was like you know like 10, maybe like six pages long, or no. No, no, no, it was shorter than that. It was just like a trifold, a trifold brochure and they're like you're getting married. Here's this trifold brochure and it was like you're getting married California, you know government trifold packet. Okay, 80% of this thing was like it, literally this sounds crazy, but 80% of this like three of the trifolds of the six trifold sides said how to not get STDs from your partner. That's what it was, that's the leading concern.

Speaker 2: 10:20

Yeah, and then the other sides were like you know how to turn in your paperwork on time, like for this, for the, you know for this marriage licensing stuff, and then like there was like a few like support lines for like domestic violence, and then that was it, that was the whole thing, and I was like wow, what a missed opportunity, what the heck.

Speaker 1: 10:44

I mean, I feel like it is important not to get STDs from your partner.

Speaker 2: 10:47

I just don't know how pressing that concern is for most newly married people Maybe.

Speaker 2: 10:56

I mean sure, I'm not that denigrating, you know, health and whatever. Maybe that is a problem for a lot of people. Great, I mean sure and sure, include that, but there's so much, okay. So my solution today is when someone gets people, when people get married, yeah, the California State House should give them a 40 page book. Okay, this is like not a heart, you know, this is like a two $1 cost. Okay, a 40, 50 page book and it's like a little booklet and it has pictures and it's, you know, super easy to read. It's in Spanish and English and Chinese and you know Tagalog, right, or whatever you can get in available in any language you need.

Speaker 2: 11:39

Availability language.

Speaker 1: 11:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:42

And when you open it up, it's like here's how to be married. Oh no, no, I think that should be doable in 40 pages with pictures? Absolutely no no, honestly I think it is. I think you can boil it down to like I mean not, not obviously how to be married.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Okay, so what's on page one of how to be married by Adam Brouse?

Speaker 2: 12:04

Well, I mean, there's a lot of nice things. You know that you could say. I mean I'm not saying you necessarily would cover everything, and it's an ocean of human experience, right?

Speaker 1: 12:13

Hey, it's got to be better than here's 70% on how to not get STDs and, by the way, here's maybe don't get domestic violence at the same time. You know like it's got to be better than that.

Speaker 2: 12:27

So what else?

Speaker 1: 12:28

would you include?

Speaker 2: 12:29

Well, I'll say okay, I'll say I'll say on the last, I'll say okay on the first page. I think the first page is is a is a six coupons that can be torn out and they are free couples counseling sessions that you can redeem with any licensed therapist in California.

Speaker 1: 12:47

That's not bad actually. Right Like no no expiration date no expiration date. If you have them, yeah, yeah, or maybe, or maybe two of them expire in six months.

Speaker 2: 13:00

And it's like hey, get your marriage on track. These are your on track marital counseling sessions that we want you to use at the beginning of the marriage with a counselor to like right, sort things out that are, even if you have a great relationship, you're in love and everything's great. This counselor can like bring up five or six things that you should like think about and play.

Speaker 1: 13:20

Yeah, and kind of like that yeah, bulletproof, bulletproof your marriage, you know. And then, like, the therapist doesn't get shafted, they get reimbursed by whatever you reimbursed 100 bucks or whatever.

Speaker 2: 13:30

Yeah, or whatever by the state, which to the state, this is like pennies on the dollar. Right, Because the cost of divorce for the state is huge.

Speaker 1: 13:39

Right, and this is investment and just not just I mean you don't, you don't want your goal as a state for people to be just miserable enough not to get divorced. I mean you want, you want them ultimately to be happy enough to want to stay there. You know like, and so I think that's a great idea actually Giving, like, having it to be normalizing the idea of couples counseling and before there's a problem yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:03

Before there's a problem yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:05

Like look, it's right here, Everyone has it, everyone knows. There you go, you can use it. You know you don't have to use it. Some people are going to be like, no, no, no, this is done.

Speaker 2: 14:13

We don't need to counsel it's good, right, right, but it's there, it's there, yeah, and when there's a problem, you've got those four other ones, and that's like you know. You say, hey, we're really hitting a rocky point. Let's, let's use these these, these, these ones. Or you could say you know, we're going to shop around for a therapist or a counselor. We can use each one as a test session and now we can find a really good counselor or whatever. You know whatever.

Speaker 1: 14:38

Can I ask a dumb logistics question? Sure Are these, are these? Are these coupons personalized to my marriage Meaning? Let's say I have a rough marriage and my friends Jim and Sally, they're doing great, so I burn through all my coupons. Can I use one of Jim and Sally's coupon Like? Will they know if I try to use their coupon on me?

Speaker 2: 15:04

Or I have a valuable yeah. Yeah, that's what I bet. Are they fungible? I don't think they'd be fungible, because then people could sell them. So they should be like. They should be like stamp. You should have to like sign them or something when you start. So they're like if you sell them.

Speaker 1: 15:20

They're presumed like who are they going to? They're not no one's hoarding couples counseling coupons Like they'd be going to people who want to buy more couples counseling because they presumably need it, right.

Speaker 2: 15:32

I guess, I guess, yeah, I'm okay, I just don't. I just don't. I just don't want people who are like, no, how am I going to score my next thing of of heroin? I'll sell my couples counseling coupons for 50 bucks, 40 bucks.

Speaker 1: 15:44

Actually, that's a. That's a point. Yeah, if you do give anything of value, then people will find a way to transmute that value into whatever, whatever their substance is or whatever it is.

Speaker 2: 15:57

Yeah, like you would find more video cameras to set up like even more elaborate streaming situation, I would.

Speaker 1: 16:03

I have if you'd had. If you wanted to do this later the day, I have a green screen set up right over there that I was just trying to figure out how to throw into the mix.

Speaker 2: 16:12

But so you asked about one of the things were in the booklet, so here's the interesting thing so.

Speaker 2: 16:17

So there's a little bit that there is a reason why I think this didn't exist and why now, in the last 20 years, it would be possible to make this book. And the reason why is evidence based medicine and especially evidence based psychology, which means evidence based marital, marital sort of the way marriages should work right or do generally work well. Not that they should necessarily work that way, but they do, based on the data that the good marriages work a certain way right. And so in the past, this would have been completely the realm of your favorite thing.

Speaker 1: 17:00

Religion.

Speaker 2: 17:01

Yeah, religion would have stepped up and said well, you can't listen to the state telling you how to be married. That is God's. You know. God has put you together. God can put you apart and Scott, god, god, come talk to the priest or the, whatever, the, or something.

Speaker 1: 17:18

I'm familiar with how that couple scouts will go the husband and wife have a conflict and then the priest says well, the husband is the boss of the family, so do what the husband says. Wow this is really cool. Bye guys.

Speaker 2: 17:32

And the guy's like this is a great religion. Guys like I dig this, this is pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 17:38

The wife's like great, I'm glad I'm stuck in this sweet cool yeah, no, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 17:44

And if you, and if you get divorced you're shunned completely out of there, your whole community and therefore yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:51

No, so that's not good, and I mean okay. But I will say something though, which is that, on the data, even now, where you can get divorced in most places without you know too much, I mean it's bad but you can. You know there's no fault divorce. Now, people who are religious all have a lower divorce rate. It's a. The rate of divorce doesn't mean they all don't get divorced, they do. Some still get divorced, but it's a much lower rate.

Speaker 2: 18:22

Right, and the interesting thing is it's all religious people, it's not one, it's not like one religion does it and another religion doesn't. They all have a lower divorce rate, which, which the interesting thing is, I did a little bit of research, the reason why this may be or what the thing that's common between all the religions is almost every religion requires you to meet with the priest or the president or the master cathedral or the rabbi or your minister, like three times or five times before you get married, or even take like a class with other people who are about to get married and the. It's very easy content and even sort of a valuable thing that's kind of prompted for you and base it on science instead of basing it on the different religious. You know things.

Speaker 1: 19:20

Do you think when you're saying, like the percentages of marriages stay together versus split up, do you think that's an actual reflection of the percentages of people who are happy in their marriages versus not happy in their marriages? Do you think it's actually higher in religion or do you think that what I'm seeing is there could be at play the reason that there's less divorce is because of a more of a guilt or judgmental it's. In religion it may be seen as more of a moral failing to get a divorce and not seem like that as much outside of religion. I think that could stop some people who would otherwise get divorced in in a completely controlled versus, you know, like experiment situation. I feel like I don't know that you're, I don't know that it's just one variable, right. Like I feel like there's a big part of it that's guilt and like we would get divorced but I can't because God would be mad at us, right?

Speaker 2: 20:15

Hmm, yeah, I mean I can't, you can't spear into their heads. But so the I mean at the statistical level, you don't know what happens Like you don't know what happens inside the box.

Speaker 1: 20:26

You just know what happens at the edge of the box. They just don't get sure they don't get so.

Speaker 2: 20:30

Yeah, very, very likely, but I have a theory only happy yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:33

So well, I'm not saying they're having marriages necessarily, but what I'm saying is they all have this in common and I and I know from from both the data which is that couples counseling isn't a waste of time.

Speaker 2: 20:45

It helps people stay together and premarital counseling is does help make marriages stronger and more likely to be resilient. Okay, the fact that the entire population of people, not just religious, like, oh, they have a religious heart, oh, they like, they, like you know they're Christian or something, but they never go to church, but actually people who are in in a church and part of that community and to get married in that community, the priests or the, the minister says you have, in order to be married here and have me be the certain the minister, you have to do this program where you meet with me or you go to this class. That itself is premarital counseling and so and so it's it. Just, it makes sense that then the numbers would be better without, without even people just sort of being like forced in some sort of course of way or psychologically, course of way, for it to be better.

Speaker 2: 21:37

And I'm not even proposing, oh, we should do it in a religious way. No, all I'm saying is provide that programming for free for people through the state, and have it be based on science so everything can be cited, like the last page of the book can be like citations to the science that said that that explains this Right. Okay, so it's not like God or I don't know. Even tradition. I mean, a lot of this might go against tradition, you know. So, like one page of the book could be like queer marriages and like, say, a bunch of like evidence based stuff about how queer marriages are, like totally fine and obviously, and like work and like, and I don't know, I'm not it, I don't know about queer marriages. I'm sure there's like some differences though, too, you can include them evidence based, like, hey, here's what the thing, you know, here's some things you might end, you know, you might want to whatever thing about, but it's probably that there is no difference. I mean, that's probably what the data finds. I assume, okay, here's okay, key thing, key thing. This is what the evidence.

Speaker 2: 22:34

Because I took a whole, I took a whole, I took a whole psychology class and we talked about this for about half the class. So the main thing is like, the main thing is attachment theory. That's like the key thing, that's like it, that's how that's basically what marriage is is you're attaching yourself to another person emotionally and so you use attachment, which is like a whole sort of suite of emotional sort of grooves that you have in your in your psyche, your psyche, that were kind of put there by, like your mom and your dad and like other other attachment experiences you had throughout your life and then and then. So if you know about attachment and what it does, why, why it does the way it does, and then what your sort of comfort level is, then you can be in a marriage much better than then if you don't know any of that and everything's just kind of coming at you right there yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:28

So, and then that ties into co regulating emotions, which is basically the main goal of attachment, which is like to co regulate emotions, so when someone feels bad, then the other person can like support them, you know, so that they're regular, that they can feel less bad because the other person's there to share in that emotion, right, and so that's basically why I mean, that's basically what people do. It's like, what kinship is, it's what otherwise we would all just be, you know, cyborgs living in, you know, our own individual units, not needing anyone else, right, right, but people don't know this, people don't know this. You know, some people might think that their partner should feel everything they're feeling. That's actually not co regulation, that's just. That's just like you know.

Speaker 1: 24:20

I don't know some weird expectation that yeah, two people being one being yeah exactly, which isn't what it is.

Speaker 2: 24:27

Or, and then another partner might think, man, you know, he's so sensitive, he's so emotional. Obviously, it might go the other way, you know. The guy might say she's so emotional, so sensitive, gosh, can she just pull herself together? And it's like you don't freaking, get it, dude, like this is marriage. What you signed up for is co regulation of emotions. You know, like this is what you signed up for and so that's like a simple. Those are like simple things, totally evidence based, simple things. Okay, it would actually be a big improvement on what the religious people are teaching. I'm sure, I mean, although I think they're probably teaching a light sort of sprinkled version of this, with, like God over the top. You know yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:09

So those are two things. Another thing you could do is you could just teach people how to like, how to fight effectively, like with non violent communication.

Speaker 1: 25:16

Oh, and that's this, and that's so simple. I got excited for a second. I thought, okay, how to fight in a different way?

Speaker 2: 25:23

Yeah, you're saying it doesn't hurt any in a healthy way. Right, I've had some yeah this agreements, yeah like don't do this, do this.

Speaker 1: 25:32

Instead, say an easy one, like say I state it's not you.

Speaker 2: 25:37

Yeah, exactly, you know. And use them, use emotionally focused language. I feel this way when you say that so, yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:46

So, instead of saying you are wrong, yeah, I am right. That's how.

Speaker 2: 25:51

I do that. That's right. I feel right when I say this I, you know who, you know who would be against this thing is therapists, because I don't actually think. I don't actually think it's that hard actually.

Speaker 1: 26:04

There, you don't think, therapies that are no no, no, I think marriage is like to marriage. Is that hard? I don't think it's like what people make it out to be.

Speaker 2: 26:12

I think marriage is easier than people think.

Speaker 1: 26:14

How long have you been?

Speaker 2: 26:15

married. I was married for five or four years, then got divorced and now buried again for almost a year.

Speaker 2: 26:23

Okay, yeah, so two, two different marriages, and I think I think it's easier than people think. People just don't tell you how to do it. It's like. It's like if you were like like sailing, sailing if you got on a boat you could literally die if you didn't know how to do it. But if someone gives you like five or six sailing lessons, you're going to be a pretty competent sailor. You won't be the best sailor in the world, like you, won't be able to, like you know, cross the right, you know the Atlantic, but you're like you can, you know. You know the boat and the boat's fun, everyone's safe.

Speaker 2: 26:52

You're going to, you know, wear your life jacket, you know hasn't, dr Phil, but if you, but if you didn't take any sailing lessons and they were just like go out in the sailboat. That boat is going over capsize. And there's like you're going down no, no, life jacket. You're like that's what I think. It's like it's high stakes, but it's not actually that hard of people. Someone teaches you how to do it.

Speaker 1: 27:13

Hasn't Dr Phil made an entire career on telling people how to do marriage?

Speaker 2: 27:17

Dr Phil made it makes a career on fear. That man is one of the worst, most horrible. No, what? Just shock. He's a succubus. He's a succubus, that's what he is, you know a succubus.

Speaker 1: 27:33

Yeah, the succubus is a demon.

Speaker 2: 27:36

I don't think you're using that correctly.

Speaker 1: 27:41

Yeah, no, no, I am, no, I am yeah. Succubus, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:43

They are no. An incubus, oh no.

Speaker 1: 27:46

One of them. One of them. One of them sits on your chest. Both of them are asexual, so I don't think you're using either one wreck.

Speaker 2: 27:52

In a way oh no, okay. Sexual intercourse of the sleeping sleeping moment.

Speaker 1: 27:57

That's not what I mean.

Speaker 2: 27:58

I thought a succubus, there is a monster that sits on your chest and, like, absorbs fear. He's a dementor, he's a dementor.

Speaker 1: 28:06

A dementor what, what? I don't think there was anything sexual about the dementors. He's like a fear demon.

Speaker 2: 28:12

That's what he is. He just gets more. He's so large too, and his head is so big, but his eyes stay close together as his head grows. His eyes stay like one inch apart.

Speaker 1: 28:22

And he just absorbs the dark.

Speaker 2: 28:25

Yeah, the dark, the dark fear of America. He just beads on it like a freaking vampire.

Speaker 1: 28:31

Yeah, I mean that's he's evil. That's the T, that's the playbook of every like TV TV psychoanalyst Right.

Speaker 2: 28:41

I mean, that's every single one, so it's psychoanalyst, yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:45

What are you going to do?

Speaker 2: 28:47

I mean, he's just, he's, he's, he boils down to it.

Speaker 1: 28:50

A really super ethical smart doctor man is or woman or an, or woman or anybody, but no, a super smart doctor is going to not like diagnose people in public on TV with cameras and think that this is the A number one healthiest way to go about doing things.

Speaker 2: 29:08

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 29:09

Like can't possibly think that in a reality.

Speaker 2: 29:12

I mean he's building the neurosis. He's like he's basically promoting neurotic neuroticism and neuroses and mental illness in his audience by doing what he's doing. He's evil, he's so evil.

Speaker 1: 29:24

He's generating wealth by creating spectacle. I mean, he's doing the same thing that I don't care about. I don't care about generating wealth.

Speaker 2: 29:29

Anyone can create spectacles and generate wealth as much as they want. My my thing is I think the American Academy of Psychiatrists and psychologists should fricking condemn him for being like he's. He's promoting neurosis. Everyone who watches gets more neurotic from watching him. They don't get less neurotic because at the end they're like I'm terrified of this and terrified of that and scared of this, and maybe this is the problem. And now I have anxiety because I have all these terrifying things that are planted in my key.

Speaker 1: 29:57

You're saying he's like the therapist version of searching on WebMD, where you start by like I think I have a hang nail and you end with you're like well, I have the plague, it turns out.

Speaker 2: 30:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:07

Turns out. These are the symptoms and I definitely have them Exactly.

Speaker 2: 30:11

Yeah, I want, I listen to him. He's an absolute wordsmith in the most evil way. I listened to him on Bill Mayer or whatever, which I it's a guilty pleasure to what he's, Bill Mayer, so stupid, but I kind of I like. I like the goofy things that he says Bill.

Speaker 1: 30:25

Marr, what's his, what's his show called?

Speaker 2: 30:27

now Real Time. Oh, okay, real Time with Bill Marr, but anyways, he was on there and he said the most messed up weird stuff about like mass shooters wanting to be not having enough sex, and it was like what the hell is this guy talking about? Oh my god, and it was all meant to know.

Speaker 1: 30:51

If there's one thing I don't understand, it's the mind of a mass shooter. Yeah, listen to me when I tell you that they're just horny he was like boys, have to be treated like boys and if they're not well.

Speaker 2: 31:07

That's why you see mass shooters and I was like, who is this guy?

Speaker 1: 31:11

like all right now, I'm gonna go out on a ledge and say that this teenage boy was horny. All right now, follow with me. If you're able to, all right, if you're able to make that leap with me, it makes me wonder about like what, what can't do?

Speaker 2: 31:24

we have a way in society, it's, I guess it's like the dangers of freedom of speech, right? Is that? If someone just is a horrible monster but they say things that are sort of whatever, like they had this sort of platform, they, you just can't stop them, even if they're hurting people. It's so weird, I mean charismatic nidnicks.

Speaker 1: 31:49

Getting an audience has been a long time thing right, I mean that's America. I mean I was gonna say since they invented microphones, but before that it was people standing out in the quad or whatever the public forum and shouting into megaphones.

Speaker 1: 32:03

And then, like you know, and that's where some of the, you know, the, the original philosophers, I'm sure, back in ancient Greece, the, the smart ones, were sitting there and there were some people crowded around the dum-dums and they were like why are they going around? I'm Plato, what's going on? Why are they over there near that dude?

Speaker 2: 32:20

like what's going on over here. You know, I I think it's just been a problem forever, I think it's just a human thing. I wonder. I know I know people who are like free free speech. You know, really radical absolutists are not gonna like this. But if you could prove which I think you definitely could that his content actually makes mental illness. So now we're talking about now we're talking about illness, right? So if you could say, right, let's take a thought, let's take 500 people, or you know a significant sample size of people, test them for what their level of anxiety is, you know, and then and then have them listen to like two hours straight of like dr Phil content, just random any dr Phil content, and then test their anxiety level after and show the dr Phil, okay, increase their anxiety level. And then bring them in three weeks later and see if it's persistent, see if it like persistently made them more anxious or more whatever kind of mental illness. Okay then, okay. So the limits on free speech that are constitutional and that even free speech absolutists generally agree to is the classic, you know this yelling fire in a building, yelling fire in a crowded room, that's that's

Speaker 2: 33:33

the. That's so. If the speech represents a clear and present danger to the people who hear it, then you can limit speech and you can do it fully constitutionally. Yeah, you can prove that dr Phil literally makes people ill in their brain. Just like. If, just like you were clubbing someone in the knee, you're making them ill in their body, then you could say this guy cannot be on the air, like he must be shut up, not because we don't agree with what he's saying politically or this or that, but for medical reasons not that I love dr Phil, but that feels like a flawed experiment.

Speaker 1: 34:12

that seems like the same as the the. Cia when they put the giant mega speakers playing heavy metal, it you know for hours and hours being like.

Speaker 2: 34:22

I guess heavy metal is that you listen, people watch Tim Phil, dr Phil's show and you binge it.

Speaker 1: 34:27

you can watch three episodes if you watched 24 hours of horror.

Speaker 2: 34:32

I said two hours I said, two hours of doctor if you watched a bunch of horror movies and then you'd be like.

Speaker 1: 34:36

It turns out, their nightmares increase if they do that every day, like okay, so maybe don't do it every day a little bit. Sometimes some stuff, moderation, but I don't know I got. I'm not in favor of but you have nightmares.

Speaker 2: 34:48

That's not. That's not mental illness, that's just nightmares, right you know I'm so.

Speaker 1: 34:53

I mean there are tests for me at talk, but I mean, no, don't let the man I think he needs to be shut up.

Speaker 2: 34:59

I think I need to shut up. I honestly think so because, because, and I think it's like yelling fire. It's yelling fire if you could, if you spoke. It's like Mary. It's like Mary, typhoid Mary. You know, typhoid Mary, I do know typhoid Mary yeah, it's like typhoid Mary. She can't be allowed to make ice cream for people anymore, like she just can't she has people who don't know.

Speaker 1: 35:22

She's a person who had typhoid but didn't have symptoms, but she was giving it to other people left and right she and she worked in kitchen. Put in here make yeah, they locked her away even though she didn't she wasn't sick.

Speaker 2: 35:35

Yeah they initially locked her away, and I think they did actually fully lock her away later. Yeah, but yeah, she got out a few times to like she. They would like try to put her away, and then she'd be like I'm not. I'm not sick, I don't have typhoid yeah she's.

Speaker 1: 35:48

I mean. You know, every so often a child would look at a mirror, say her name three times and then, boom, she's out again.

Speaker 2: 35:54

You're like we gotta go get married again I I think I'm not saying he can't have a job, be a person like he shouldn't go to jail, but he should not be allowed on the airwaves like this. Freedom, the freedom of speech, is not the freedom of reach. Right, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of reach. You're not a little, it's not.

Speaker 1: 36:12

so what job would you get? Like this is becoming a dr Philip, so, but what? What job? Would you give him instead, because if you can't talk about what I, mean that is his job, is doing what you don't want him to do, so what?

Speaker 2: 36:23

he can, he can. He's a trained therapist. He can just be a therapist. Okay, I think he can also. I don't even think he should be allowed to write books, though, either. His books are the same shit, it's the same shit. You could prove the same shit for his books.

Speaker 1: 36:38

Let's burn the books. What? Oh, yes, but okay. So you're advocating for book burning and for non-free speech? I got this. No, no, this is free of speech.

Speaker 2: 36:46

This is. This is freedom of speech, absolutism. Don't yell fire in a crowd of don't don't do things that lead to a direct harm to the people who hear it right.

Speaker 1: 36:57

I, quite yelling, fired out of crowded theater to tie fire in a book. No, no, this is shelf no, no, this is.

Speaker 2: 37:03

This is you. I'm gonna, I'm gonna make an accusation, this is you falling into the old thing which is we're trying to leave behind by treating mental illness as less than physical illness. That's what you're doing right now. You're saying, if he walked around, if everyone who heard him, you know, got, you know, clubbed in the knee and I couldn't walk, then you'd be like, well, he can't speak, he's literally killing, he's hurting everyone, right, because when he speaks there's violence, right, but I'm saying mental illness is one to one, equal to physical illness and therefore if he's causing mental illness, he also needs to be stopped.

Speaker 1: 37:40

He should be put in prison for assault. Is that what you're saying right now? Well, maybe.

Speaker 2: 37:45

Yeah, well, if you yell, if you yell fire in a crowded building, you could put him prison. Right, if someone fit, they figure out who do they? Think so. I think yeah, yeah, yeah, you heard everybody.

Speaker 1: 37:53

Yeah, you're a vandal I think if someone dies in like a stampede on the way out and you caused it, then you get nailed with that. But I think if you just like if everybody went out orderly and they just missed the second half of Dune, you wouldn't like you're still locked away, you're trouble, you're not going away and no, no, you're not.

Speaker 2: 38:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no anyways, I just think people, people were. We live in this time where all these free speech absolutists who act like it can really be like a free, a free for all yeah, free speeches. Free speech is not as a free for all as people think. There's absolutely the no yelling and you know no yelling fire in a clouded building that that is an absolute. Even free speech.

Speaker 1: 38:33

Absolutists agree and there's no, no dr Phil talking or writing, that's the other Supreme Court case.

Speaker 2: 38:40

Yes, phil V.

Speaker 1: 38:42

Phil V, the people, the McGraw yeah, the people.

Speaker 2: 38:45

V McGraw, that's a good one. Okay, we don't talk about my refill anymore yeah, we're talking about marriage so so free, free, pro bono marriage counseling and a marriage booklet to strengthen marriages. And remember, this is not religious and it's not right wing, it's not demoting the, the prestige or the status of women. This is just supporting marriages so that marriages can and it can succeed.

Speaker 1: 39:09

I love that. I love the coupons for counseling to have that resource available.

Speaker 2: 39:14

I really do and I have to say I got that from Andrew Yang. He said that on the campaign trail when he was running for president. It's hard. I love it really. Yeah, it's a good one, all right. So what are other two? Just just like other pages of?

Speaker 1: 39:27

the book how to fight, you know yeah how to split up, to do the division of labor right. Would that be?

Speaker 2: 39:37

one yeah, maybe I mean finances should be a finance is a huge thing yeah, or I think you could, or I think you could give people like options.

Speaker 2: 39:46

You could be like here's one way to do your finances. You know everything combined and here's how you pay into it and here's how you pay out of it and here's how you deal with differences of opinion. Another way could be what I, what I, what I recommend, which maybe this is like a sort of sub solution in itself, which is the proportional method, where each person can make more or less money but the people pay into group you know, group financial decisions, proportionally based on their after-tax income, and then and then and then. That that's nice, because then if someone's much richer, wealthier, like they have a higher earning power, you can do really nice things till you can go on like expensive vacations, whatever, because the person who makes much less only pays like whatever one tenth or one third or one, one quarter or one fifth or at least you know, depending on their proportional income. So you can still go do expensive things, but the person who makes less money can still feel like I'm contributing exactly like equitably to this thing.

Speaker 2: 40:43

So I'm an equal with you and we're, you know, we're you're not having some outsized power in the marriage because we agree to this proportional what about?

Speaker 1: 40:51

I think that's really a good way to do it what about a page that's like things to be on the same page up like important, big topic?

Speaker 2: 40:59

you know big-tent topics like yeah, kids, kids, yeah, yeah, how do?

Speaker 1: 41:06

you feel about. You know these, these certain issues that are right, that are common. I guess there's probably data you're an evidence guy, so there's definitely data on, like different issues that people fight over the most. I think money is always number one, but you know like there are other things like that are just important issues to be like. Hey, you may have already had these conversations, you may already know you're on the same page, but just in case, here's a list of topics that like kind of come up in people's things. Maybe you know, broach these things and see if you guys are how you feel about it. Make sure you guys are on the same thing, because otherwise it's like a ticking time bomb for later.

Speaker 2: 41:46

Yeah, and then even, and then right in, like, right like, couching that section, you can give them like evidence-based, proven strategies for how people who are on different pages get onto the same page right Like sit down, like it could be like a little exercise.

Speaker 2: 42:01

Sit down and write 10 things of like why you care about this, and now find things that you both have the same why's. Even though you end up at different conclusions, you might have a lot of the same why's. Oh okay, we're actually. You know right, that could be another part of the marriage booklet which is called, which is similarity. People who, people who believe they're similar to one another, stay more in love with each other. If people like eat.

Speaker 1: 42:33

Yeah, this is similar to each other's. What happened to the Paul Abdul opposite to attract?

Speaker 2: 42:41

Well, that's attraction. Attraction is different than love, than than intimacy, staying together. Yeah, well, intimacy.

Speaker 1: 42:49

Yeah so attraction.

Speaker 2: 42:50

you might be attracted by the mystery or the way you know they can do something that you admire, that you can't do, or something that's just like an opposite, and your complementarity might kind of attract you. But at the end of the day, what do they call it? When people get divorced? No contest divorce. We have irreconcilable differences. That's what they say it's. The differences are what drive people apart. So if all day long, you are highlighting to your partner well, you think that way and I don't think that way. I think this other way. We're different. In that way you constantly highlight the difference. I mean there's differences between people, but if you highlight those differences all the time, you're going to drive like a feeling of like separation, whereas if you're always emphasizing that you know there's ways that you're similar, then you'll be driving together constantly. So, in the face of, we have all these differences, if you focus on the similarities, you'll do better.

Speaker 1: 43:42

Okay, Well yeah, so we got the pages of the thing delivered. Would this be an app? I mean, could it just be an app with different pages as well? It seems like there would be a digital version.

Speaker 2: 43:54

Yeah, you could publish the digital version, pod, you know PDF that anybody could get and download and print, or. But then you could just have stacks of these books at the state house and when people got married by mail and you had to mail it to them, just slip it in the mail packet and send it with them. So there's all this great evidence based, evidence based research just in people's homes. And, who knows, kids will find the book and be like, oh my God, I understand why my parents' marriage sucks so bad. They're not doing any of these things. You know like. You know they don't fight that way. They fight like animals. You know they cast dispersions on each other and you know they emphasize all the things. Obviously there'd be a page on intimacy. You know sex. You know close sexual closeness. You know physical. You know, and you could throw in love languages.

Speaker 1: 44:40

You probably don't want the kids finding this booklet then.

Speaker 2: 44:43

No, kids, kids, kids know about sex. These kids can look at it. So it's not positions, it's not pictures of positions. It's like intimacy, emotional intimacy. Okay yeah, because that's what you know underlies sexual long term sexual relationship, right.

Speaker 2: 44:59

You could also talk about family, internal family systems. You could talk about wounds, that people, that people that your partner has wounds and you have wounds, and that one emotional wounds that are like you know, that are that they defend and they protect because they're, because there's, you know they don't feel safe sharing that all the time, yeah, but that those wounds are not bad or debilitating. They're actually places that you can connect, like each of you can connect over when you feel comfortable or safe enough to share that.

Speaker 1: 45:27

That feels like a lot for a pamphlet, but yeah, I I was surprised.

Speaker 2: 45:32

You know, it's like a kid's book. You can have kids book. People are really serious things. You used to a similar thing, but yeah, there's just a tons of stuff in your date, your spouse, right? Yeah, our spouse, like you know, have special you could call that date someone else's spouse.

Speaker 1: 45:47

Don't date other people's spouse, Unless that's part of your. You know your thing that you guys agree to, or whatever I would, I would put oh my gosh.

Speaker 2: 45:56

Okay, I would put a, I would put the date, the lot you know, I would put the data around the chances of things like that working out like should we have an open marriage? Oh, how many percentage of open marriage is lead to divorce? That might be interesting to know before we decide to do that.

Speaker 1: 46:10

Probably zero, but no yeah it's near zero.

Speaker 2: 46:14

But the another thing you could do is I would call the date, your spouse thing, like just moments, moments, and say you should have a small moment every day, right, and then you should have a big moment, a medium moment, every week, and then you should have a big moment every month. What's a small moment? You know dating a small moment.

Speaker 2: 46:38

A small moment like you know, your wife comes home and you and you and you, you pull her side and you sit and you don't know, one has their phones out and you sit facing each other and you and you ask them how their day was and they say it was really tough and you like, co regulate that emotion. You say like, oh, that sucks. And you don't give any, so obviously no solutions, don't I like just, oh, that's, that's tough, you know. And then she goes, ah, and she feels so much better because her emotion got, you know, small, but I've seen it, yeah, and it's a small moment, and she's like God, I'm glad I'm married, my husband's great, this is great. And then, you know, and vice versa, I, you know, the husband feels great because the wife, you know, co regulated his feelings too.

Speaker 2: 47:17

He might say all day long I was whatever, and now you're here, thank God, okay, so now, what's a medium moment? Once a medium moment might be like, you know, date night or some kind of thing, where you maybe go somewhere. You do something special in the house just you, sure, the full massage, maybe like a sexy time session, that's special, like maybe, you know, like a few candles or something. Just make it a little, something a little. It can't just be like wrote, it has to be like something a little special every week, okay.

Speaker 1: 47:44

And then it's just you a monthly moment.

Speaker 2: 47:47

Big moment would be, like, you know, like something where it's extra, extra special, where you really go out of your way to do something. Each of you go out of your way to do something special. But yeah, so that would be called moments. That would be one page of the book.

Speaker 1: 48:01

Okay, I think our books up to about eight pages long now.

Speaker 2: 48:05

I know, and we've already covered, like the most everything you need to do? I mean the fighting thing in the attachment theory that's like, that's it, that's like 90% and the core regulation of emotions and then the sex stuff and a little bit of money stuff. I mean that you basically are covering your basis, you know, sure, anyway? So I think California should write this up. They should make a secular, a secular, free marital and marital counseling and coupons network and then a booklet that is just like the best hits of absolute most high impact things you can do to make marriages better and prevent and prevent, strengthen marriages.

Speaker 2: 48:42

You know, I think maybe part of the book would be like when things go off the rails, like there could be a little section on adultery and like you could also tell people the data on adultery. I think data helps a lot what percentage of marriages struggle with adultery and what percentage of them don't get divorced. Make people realize that there's like a, there's a world in which, you know, people make mistakes and they forgive each other and they're fine.

Speaker 2: 49:05

You know, there's, you know, so you could, you could. And there's a world where there isn't, where the adultery destroys the marriage. Right, Sure, but like, for example, psychologists generally consider and I've just read this of various places psychologists generally consider adultery to be a stress test on the marriage, not a necessarily an endpoint, like a really strong marriage can often survive, but a weaker marriage, where there's a lot of other things that are up in the matter doesn't always survive.

Speaker 2: 49:33

That's interesting for people to know. You know if you wrote that into the booklet because it's true like it's, it's an.

Speaker 1: 49:38

You know, it's what I, what's what I read Turns out, psychologists engaging in adultery heavily favor forgiveness for this.

Speaker 2: 49:46

Oh yeah, turns out very overwhelmingly.

Speaker 1: 49:51

What's the data? You see the people who are like, not a problem that you look into their personal life and it's like, oh, there is some stuff happening. Oh yeah, there's some bias.

Speaker 2: 49:59

Do you want to hear? Do you want to hear the story on adultery?

Speaker 1: 50:01

This is almost universally what I read the story on adultery.

Speaker 2: 50:05

This is almost universally what I read about adultery, which is generally speaking and this is not obviously everything is different for everybody, but generally speaking in, in, in the data, men, men will commit adultery to stay in a marriage. But, women will commit adultery to get out of a marriage that seems weird. Isn't that interesting.

Speaker 1: 50:27

No, that seems oddly.

Speaker 2: 50:29

That seems oddly you could say so you can think of it this way Men are not like they're not happy in the marriage because they're not getting all their needs met. They're not. They're not whatever. They're having problems in the marriage, emotional or sexual, it doesn't matter Okay.

Speaker 2: 50:42

And then they, and then they, like you know, they meet some other woman and they're maybe meeting with them, or they're meeting different women and they're getting their needs met, but they're not getting their needs met, so they can leave the marriage. They're actually getting their needs met, so they cannot leave the marriage. They're like I can stay in this marriage as long as I get my needs met.

Speaker 1: 50:58

Another way to look at that is they're not good.

Speaker 2: 51:01

They're like I'm getting my physical.

Speaker 1: 51:03

I decided to get my physical needs met somewhere else, because I don't want to underdo the work of whatever. The problem is, yeah, it's bad, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it. It seems like you are.

Speaker 2: 51:19

This is not a good thing. This is not a good thing. And then so the trend with women. The trend not always the case, but the trend with women is they're actually they're doing adultery.

Speaker 1: 51:29

They're on the way out.

Speaker 2: 51:30

They're trying to get out of the marriage. They're like they're like they're going to then reveal to their partner or they're just going to leave and they're going to use that new relationship or like getting you know as a wedge.

Speaker 1: 51:41

They see it as more of a door close To get away. No, no, no, I've done my decision. Look, it's already done. And the person?

Speaker 2: 51:47

is going to be like. We'll find that you're done, right, I see.

Speaker 1: 51:51

But maybe men think it's more like oh no, no, no, you should overlook this, because I want, I want to do.

Speaker 2: 51:57

It's bad, no matter what. I mean. It's bad, and how you and how you build back from it is hard right, because if the woman is out the door, that's bad, but it's also bad if the man's sleeping around. I mean, both are bad, by the way, is there a worse titled like activity?

Speaker 1: 52:12

because the idea that it's just adultery seems like you should be just doing adult things like.

Speaker 2: 52:18

But it's one specific thing, it's one specific adult thing and it's like you don't even have to be an adult to do it.

Speaker 1: 52:25

But I mean, there's just like the idea of, like we say, adulting now, but it's like the word adultery is out there. They're just, like you know, being an adult as in cheating on your spouse. The one thing that everyone knows is synonymous with adulter ring.

Speaker 2: 52:42

Yeah. It's just, that's a very odd driving, being a car paying your taxes, cheating on your spouse, you know, adult thing.

Speaker 1: 52:50

I like to go automobile. Oh, what does that mean? That's when I kill people with my automobile. You're like that's a really specific use of the word automobile.

Speaker 2: 52:59

Technically, you are using an automobile, but I think I guess we also call it cheating, which is funny because that's also sort of a weird name for it, because it's like you're cheating at a game. That's how you win a game without having to follow the rules. So it's almost laudatory, right. It's almost like praising it, like oh, you're winning, dude, so long as nobody finds out. Like that's pretty fucked up too, I think.

Speaker 1: 53:20

but I think that's probably the general feel of it. It does probably feel like you're winning as long as anyone doesn't find out, that's true.

Speaker 2: 53:26

And then it all comes crashing down like a house of cards, just like cheating, oh no.

Speaker 1: 53:31

So that's the sewing the meme, where it's like sewing the wind, you're like, hey, this rule is. You're like reaping the world, like, oh no, what the heck this sucks.

Speaker 2: 53:41

Well, listen to you, but quoting the Bible, sewing the wind, reaping the whirlwind, that's some hardcore.

Speaker 1: 53:47

It was in a flash comic. It was in a flash comic, okay.

Speaker 2: 53:49

Okay, that's what I'm quoting, but anyways, I don't want people to. Everyone has opinions about this stuff and you might not take some dumb podcasters opinion, but no, but I really like some of those ideas yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:59

Some of the things you could throw in there and some committee of psychologists sanctioned by California would decide what goes in this thing. So it wouldn't, you know, there wouldn't be like risky business, it would all just be the most bedrock things attachment, non-biocommunication, you know. And then of course you include don't get STDs from your partner, or here's how to you know, domestic violence.

Speaker 1: 54:19

It's like a basic first aid kit for a marriage. Yeah, and why not equip people with that from the outset?

Speaker 2: 54:25

You know, it, just it does make total sense.

Speaker 1: 54:28

I love it. Yeah, okay, all right, thanks for another banger, adam, and we got to Banger Banger. Are we talking about sex? Or is it Dr Phil too?

Speaker 2: 54:39

Dr Phil's banging on other people too, I'm sure. But well. Well, scott, let me tell you about how you've been a mass shooter if you didn't have sex when you were a teenager.

Speaker 1: 54:51

What the hell are you talking about? The problem is you didn't have enough girlfriends, son. Get out there and be a boy.

Speaker 2: 55:01

And if people won't let you be a boy, that's the problem of society. You should demote the status of women.

Speaker 1: 55:08

He's like one step shy of just like excusing all in cell behavior. Yeah exactly, it's kind of what he's doing.

Speaker 2: 55:15

Yeah, he's like sort of excusing really bad behavior. So anyways, he's giving everyone fire.

Speaker 1: 55:21

He's yelling fire in a building, all right, fine, freedom of speech for everyone except him. Sorry, sorry, phil.

Speaker 2: 55:27

No, that's not what I said.

Speaker 1: 55:28

Yeah, Damn free speech. Are you free?

Speaker 2: 55:30

speech, absolutely. Oh, we're going to have to do a free speech solution. I have a lot of opinions on free speech.

Speaker 1: 55:36

I would invite Dr Phil on, but he's been muzzled now by his eyes.

Speaker 2: 55:40

His eyes are too close by cancel culture Adam over here, mr. Cancel culture All right, everybody stay tuned.

Speaker 1: 55:48

Hopefully next week I'll be allowed to talk on the podcast with you.

Speaker 2: 55:52

But now, you're calling down the fire word. You're ripping the we're going to reap the whirlwind here with this one. Oh, you're going to eat the Bible. Okay, everybody stay, stay married, stay, you know stay, stay married and stay climate.

Speaker 1: 56:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:07

Solymowy all the things, all the things. Take care, All right, bye, bye.