Speaker 1: 0:01

I don't know. I haven't heard him on the recording Corn dog Lee.

Speaker 2: 0:03

Corn dog, have some respect, get your ass out of my face.

Speaker 1: 0:05

Okay, buddy. Oh, I was going to say. When he's watching the birds out the window, when they come to the bird feeder, he makes the weirdest noise.

Speaker 3: 0:21

Oh, he does that, he does that.

Speaker 1: 0:23

It's like oh, you've heard it.

Speaker 3: 0:24

Yeah yeah, mine cats do that too. It's called like a. It has a name. It has a name, yeah.

Speaker 1: 0:29

Cause it is like this weird chirping it's a chirp?

Speaker 3: 0:32

Yeah, it might be chirp, it sounds like he's like a fax machine. Like he's like.

Speaker 1: 0:37

It seems like he's malfunctioning in some way?

Speaker 2: 0:39

Do you check if maybe a fax comes out?

Speaker 1: 0:42

I've lived up his tail and there's no documents. Tick or tape. Tick or tape.

Speaker 3: 0:45

Fax come on Tick or tape Corn dog.

Speaker 2: 0:51

I guess I read that there, cause my cats do that too, and I was like this is so weird. I've never seen cats do this. And I Googled it and it turns out they are actually mimicking the sounds of birds in order to get the birds to like get closer to them.

Speaker 1: 1:04

Oh really, yeah, so they're actually. Does that ever work in the wild?

Speaker 3: 1:08

Hey, come close. Meow chirp, meow chirp.

Speaker 1: 1:14

And they're like I'm not falling. I'm a bird, but I'm not falling for that. I just saw the new roadhouse remake that came out on Amazon.

Speaker 3: 1:35

That would be hard to top. No, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:36

It's hard. I don't know why they're remaking classic Patrick's Waze movies they did with Jake Gyllenhaal and like Connor, McGregor's in there.

Speaker 3: 1:47

Is there a dancing? No, dancing, well didn't that sucks.

Speaker 1: 1:50

Not.

Speaker 2: 1:51

I don't think any dancing. Did you guys like read my mind before coming here?

Speaker 1: 1:55

Oh, you wanted to talk about Jake Gyllenhaal and the new roadhouse.

Speaker 2: 1:58

This is what the solution is. The solution is exactly this. Should we start? Yeah, we could start.

Speaker 1: 2:04

I'm just. I've done this. You read my mind again. I was going to say that would be two weeks in a row. I know, oh, not two weeks in a row.

Speaker 2: 2:11

Three times in so many months.

Speaker 1: 2:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:12

Yeah, although technically, if I do a movie solution, we're probably going to talk about movies, so pretty tight.

Speaker 1: 2:20

That's my go-to nexus of conversation.

Speaker 3: 2:23

Movies are the way to train society.

Speaker 2: 2:27

You didn't know that.

Speaker 3: 2:29

That's like that Obama movie with the Tesla cars.

Speaker 1: 2:32

The Obama movie with the Tesla cars.

Speaker 2: 2:34

I haven't seen any Obama movie. What's that?

Speaker 3: 2:37

I've produced a movie about tech taking over the world.

Speaker 2: 2:41

Okay, okay On.

Speaker 3: 2:42

Netflix, right yeah. And these Tesla cars all get programmed to go to this one spot and they just all drive off the lot and just crash and they just go into a giant pow wherever there are in the United States and just all keep going and going to this one place. If you're in the way you get read over.

Speaker 1: 3:02

Oh no.

Speaker 3: 3:03

If you were in the car. You just keep driving. This is a fictional movie, though, right.

Speaker 2: 3:06

And then they get to. It's a fictional movie.

Speaker 3: 3:09

They're trying to go somewhere, but there's already a big pow and they just drive right into it.

Speaker 2: 3:14

So this is a fictional movie, though, right, this is like a. It's not a documentary or anything.

Speaker 3: 3:19

It's basically showing like once we get hacked, but it's a fake movie, it's a fiction.

Speaker 1: 3:24

Adam, it's what we call a pre-documentary. Yeah, it's a pre-documentary All documenting what will happen in the future.

Speaker 3: 3:29

Yeah right, All movies are fake.

Speaker 2: 3:31

No, but you know what I mean. It's not purporting to be true, it's purporting to be a fictional story, like a zombie movie or something right.

Speaker 1: 3:38

No, I heard about the giant pile of Teslas that was killing people. That was killing people. I mean I'm just trying to Many per day.

Speaker 2: 3:44

I'm trying to understand.

Speaker 1: 3:45

That didn't happen yet it's in Nebraska right, but it could happen.

Speaker 2: 3:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course it could happen. It could happen. It could happen right now. It could happen right now. Yeah, we have all the self-driving cars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it could happen, but it hasn't happened. That's the definition of sci-fi, it's happened in simulation probably.

Speaker 1: 4:01

That's true.

Speaker 3: 4:02

In testing yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:04

Adam, how can you prove we're not in a simulation? I think we already did that episode, that's true. Well, I feel like we did banter this one. We bantered Hello, hello everyone. Welcome to a special episode of Solutions for Multiverse, because we have a guest today. I'm Scott Moppen, I'm Adam Brouse and today we have a returning guest, Bedford Williamson. Hello world, Hello multiverse. Bedford, you're our first returning guest.

Speaker 2: 4:31

I think yeah, everyone else is great.

Speaker 1: 4:34

Everyone else loses our number, right? They're just like no way Oops these guys Not coming back, but you, we tricked again, so welcome back. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2: 4:45

Very excited Welcome. This is Solutions on the Multiverse. Every week we share a completely new solution, an unheard of solution to the world's problems, and today we're facing an extremely dire problem and we're going to solve it and the solution is. The solution is movies need to have more musical numbers in them.

Speaker 1: 5:09

Musical numbers.

Speaker 2: 5:11

Movies need more music. Yeah, not music. No movies have tons of music. Music wall to wall, but musical numbers. We need our singing dancing break out into song, and my inspiration for this was if you look at Disney movies okay, there are certain Disney movies that we all remember. Any Disney movie you can think of.

Speaker 1: 5:33

The Lion King.

Speaker 2: 5:34

The Lion King, any Disney movie. What's a Disney movie Frozen right the big hits, those two, All the Boreini, Aladdin any of the big hits?

Speaker 1: 5:41

Yeah, of course I don't have a choice.

Speaker 2: 5:43

They all have breakout songs. Okay there are excellent Disney movies that have no breakout songs. Nobody knows about them. Brave, fantastic movie no one. It's not famous. No one gives a crap, because there's no songs. Orion, the Last Dragon no songs, Great movie, cool movie cool great stuff. No songs great characters, great story, great everything. Moana songs, everybody knows it. Huge movie, huge thing.

Speaker 3: 6:12

I don't know the words to that. I see it's big, but Moana. I think when I think of a Disney, I might think of Fantasia.

Speaker 2: 6:20

Also songs, pretty much all songs, actually. Do you know the words to Fantasia, although Fantasia is all instrumental, all instrumental songs?

Speaker 3: 6:27

Instrumental songs and dance.

Speaker 2: 6:29

That's what I'm saying. It has a huge impact. That's right, that's right, but you can't share through words.

Speaker 1: 6:35

If you don't know the words to the songs in Frozen, at this point, though, I mean you just gotta let it go. I'm safe. Yeah, just let that go. You gotta let it go.

Speaker 2: 6:41

You gotta let it go, just let it go. If you don't know, I don't know. Frozen.

Speaker 1: 6:44

Would you like it? The song is Let it Go. Do you need me to teach you some songs from Moana?

Speaker 3: 6:48

Oh, I love the song. I would I don't know the songs from Moana.

Speaker 1: 6:50

If you want me to, you're welcome. I mean, I can?

Speaker 3: 6:52

I see little three-year-olds walking around like zombies, singing them. The girls are walking around.

Speaker 2: 6:58

But here's the thing, Okay. So then look at the few movies in American movies that do add songs. They punch way above their weight. They punch way above their weight. La La Land.

Speaker 1: 7:10

La La Land.

Speaker 2: 7:10

That's a stupid movie. But you add movie, you add song and dance, break out in song and dance. All of a sudden it wins, like Oscars. Okay, look at 500 Days of Summer. Stupid movie, just a stupid movie, but it breaks out in a song.

Speaker 3: 7:23

Was there a song Two or three times? Yeah, this is just musicals, right?

Speaker 2: 7:27

Well, but I like 100 Days of Summer as the kind of exemplar of what I'm suggesting, which is one musical number in just add a musical number.

Speaker 1: 7:38

Yeah, not a musical, but they just enter the musical family.

Speaker 2: 7:42

I think it should just become like we should just forget the distinction musical, non-musical. And we should just say what sells tickets. What is better and what's better is if you just add musical numbers to movies.

Speaker 1: 7:53

What's better is rules on art. Like, every movie has to have a musical number, whether or not.

Speaker 2: 7:59

Well, it's not ruled.

Speaker 3: 8:01

But what sells tickets you can get creative about it, though right Like think of Pulp Fiction. You have a musical number but they're not singing an original song. You mimic a song that's already out there and have a dance.

Speaker 2: 8:19

Sure, you could just do a lip sync yeah, like a cover yeah yeah, yeah, or you could do a totally original song, but either way, yeah, yeah. But then break out in a song, everybody dancing like a music video in the middle of the movie.

Speaker 3: 8:33

Barbie.

Speaker 2: 8:34

Yep, barbie does it too, barbie does it well, barbie does it well, and Barbie also not a great movie if you remove the musical right.

Speaker 1: 8:41

No, it is, it's fun.

Speaker 2: 8:43

No, but the musical adds a lot to it. It makes it fun. You sit in your chair and you're like this is a great movie, Do you?

Speaker 1: 8:47

think there are any movies that don't that were a musical number in the middle would maybe be the wrong choice.

Speaker 3: 8:53

Like Vin Diesel and Michelle Rodriguez.

Speaker 1: 8:56

12 angry men Are driving their cars very fast and furious and they have to stop and do a musical and then sing and dance for a minute.

Speaker 3: 9:03

No, that's not how you do it. Okay, how do you do?

Speaker 1: 9:04

it. They're driving very fast, yeah and furious.

Speaker 3: 9:07

They're listening to the same radio show. Oh.

Speaker 2: 9:11

It's playing the song that they love they have a flashback of them dancing to it.

Speaker 3: 9:16

Oh yeah, While they're driving and doing the moves of the car or the dips in the dance, oh my God.

Speaker 2: 9:23

And yes, vin Diesel's in his car Directed by Fredy Wobun yeah.

Speaker 3: 9:30

Do, do, do, do do.

Speaker 1: 9:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:32

Maybe we don't have Vin Diesel sing. Nope, he has to every movie. Yeah, it's Vin Diesel movie. He has to sing, oh God.

Speaker 3: 9:40

But that's where I'm saying you don't sing you lip, sing you flashback.

Speaker 2: 9:43

Right you correlate.

Speaker 3: 9:45

There's create, there's ways to do this, to make them still have the number, the musical number.

Speaker 1: 9:50

Biderman is fighting the green goblin.

Speaker 3: 9:52

And then he says wait a minute.

Speaker 1: 9:53

remember that talent show I was in last week? Doodaloo, doodaloo, doodaloo, doodaloo. We flashback to singing dancing, singing dancing.

Speaker 2: 10:03

That's why he's fighting.

Speaker 1: 10:04

Because Spider-Man wait. Oh, this is wonderful.

Speaker 2: 10:07

I think Spider-Man would be an easy one to do Because Spider-Man's like your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Oh well, adam, and also you could include hip hop in it too. I mean, wouldn't just have to be like ballads.

Speaker 1: 10:16

It could be like hip hop.

Speaker 2: 10:17

It could be like any kind of music.

Speaker 1: 10:18

There is. There are a number of Spider-Man movies, and one of them has a musical number in them. Which one? Spider-man 3. Everyone's favorite Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 from Sam. Raimi, the first one has multiple Mary Jane Kirsten Dunst singing songs in the middle of it, and that's people's favorites. And then it has no people hate that one, and then it has emo, emo, Toby McGuire singing like dancing with the weird hair.

Speaker 2: 10:44

Oh yeah, that's bad. That's all Spider-Man 3. So it doesn't always work.

Speaker 1: 10:49

It's not a magic pill.

Speaker 2: 10:50

Well, if you get everything else wrong, yeah, that's not gonna save you.

Speaker 1: 10:53

You can't put a music number in a terrible way. Wait, he's dancing like the black suit on Yup, yup, yup.

Speaker 3: 10:57

that's it.

Speaker 2: 10:58

500 Days of Summer is just like a bad movie, that then the musical, I think, really saves.

Speaker 3: 11:04

Cause it's so bad.

Speaker 2: 11:05

They make LA look like New York. What the hell's wrong with them? They're? He's like oh, I just walked to work and I'm like you know when walks to work in LA. This is weird.

Speaker 1: 11:14

Joseph Gordon Levitt does yeah, I can. So where did this movie idea come from?

Speaker 2: 11:18

Cause, just from the Disney stuff Just from looking at Disney. I watched Brave. Brave is one of my favorite movies and no one knows about it.

Speaker 1: 11:25

What would your Brave song?

Speaker 2: 11:27

be Well Brave, could have a bunch of songs, cause it has the mom turning into a bear, my mom's a bear, yeah, and then it has beautiful Scottish folk music in it. You could do all kinds of you know or just dance. You could even just do clocking. You know like just break out into like river dance, scottish dancing, that would be good too.

Speaker 3: 11:47

Is there a placement for this? Can you have it at the beginning of the movie and then?

Speaker 2: 11:52

you forget about it, and then the rest of the movie's nothing. Yeah sure, I think you could do it anything.

Speaker 1: 11:56

Can I poke a tiny hole in your theory? I'm sure it's going to be a huge hole. I don't know Brave is on the Pixar side, where it's not a Disney. Disney movie like Moana is or Frozen. But Brave is on the Pixar side, where they don't always do musicals. Like the Incredibles is a Pixar movie that did. That's true.

Speaker 2: 12:20

They're not like the. Incredibles, the Incredibles I mean like it does have really nice music, of course. Yeah, so does Brave, really beautiful Scottish music.

Speaker 1: 12:27

But there's not like a singing song that you.

Speaker 2: 12:29

That's true. There's not an. I Can Show you the World. Incredibles was a good movie.

Speaker 1: 12:33

Would you say it?

Speaker 2: 12:33

was, it was good, but I think it would have been better with musicals, would you say it was.

Speaker 1: 12:38

It was incredible. Okay, thank you Extraordinary.

Speaker 2: 12:42

Excellent.

Speaker 1: 12:43

Fantastic. What are you trying to get me to say?

Speaker 2: 12:47

I think it would have improved with a musical number.

Speaker 1: 12:50

I'm Mr Incredible, this is my wife. She's pretty stretchy you could do.

Speaker 2: 12:55

You could do it as boring as that.

Speaker 1: 12:56

I think you go much more. Wow, the best music, oh Okay burn. I was really trying think about the Grinch.

Speaker 3: 13:04

you know, that's the format for bad guys. When they come in, all right, they have their theme song, they do a little dance intro, yep, and then they go back to Mr.

Speaker 2: 13:14

Oogie Boogie man.

Speaker 3: 13:16

Right from the, from nine before.

Speaker 2: 13:17

Christmas also Fantastic movie if you took the musicals out of nine before Christmas. It's just a creepy Tim Burton nightmare.

Speaker 1: 13:25

It's horrible.

Speaker 2: 13:27

Well, they made it.

Speaker 3: 13:28

Yeah, this is making me think of Beetlejuice, yeah they did it right.

Speaker 2: 13:33

They also did they all. They did a cover, a cover and it was the only musical in the whole thing and sitting down and it was awesome.

Speaker 1: 13:40

Harry Belafonte.

Speaker 2: 13:41

That's why I love the the songs that like the, the, the shrimp cocktails hands come out of and grabbing their faces at the end.

Speaker 1: 13:48

Are we just talking about movies, or like that's what the solution is? Are you excited? I'm solving movies.

Speaker 2: 13:53

Beetlejuice too, I think movies are bad. That's we did another solution for movies before to the NPS ratings right, I think movies are just bad and we need to make them better. This is another. So we did NPS ratings, yeah, and now we're doing add musical numbers. You know what film tradition does this already? I Bollywood. I was gonna say Bollywood just is like move. They don't say musical, not musical, they're just like it's another movie and of course it has like big music Switches into there.

Speaker 2: 14:22

Yeah and people love it. But this is awesome. They're amazing, they're great. The audience learns the dances and and it's a great promotional opportunity tic-tac dances everyone can copy the dance copy.

Speaker 3: 14:34

We have that, we have the dance, we have. The musical is just in short form. You know, now you come out with a mute, a song, you have a music video right has a dance as a little dance. Yeah, anybody knows they're using the dance. There's a news station I watch. Occasionally it's in a different country, so I watch on YouTube.

Speaker 2: 14:53

Okay, and the newscasters, they do a dance Like the whole news team while they're doing the news, or before, right before date when they come on to do the news.

Speaker 3: 15:04

Wow, don't do like a little stand alive, stay it alive. It'll have a hole like disco dance.

Speaker 2: 15:09

Don't do Christmas was we try to guess the country for this. Well, he said Christmas. That we know it's a Christmas, I'm just throwing out holidays. I'm not sure is this, not their national holiday. Is this Belarus? No, where do they?

Speaker 3: 15:25

But they dance and then they go into the news. What if you went to your parent? You go to see your Principal for parent teacher day. You show up with a dance. Teachers are getting fired for this, for dancing teachers, dance the teachers parents the teachers try to teach their class and dance and they're like oh you're dancing. We don't like your dance. It's too sexy. You're fired.

Speaker 2: 15:50

Well, I mean, I think there's something there, probably, oh, sexy dance. So now that's the teaching stripping.

Speaker 3: 15:58

I mean, now stripper, teacher, now we're regulating the type of dance you can do. Only hands above the hip dance.

Speaker 1: 16:05

No hands.

Speaker 3: 16:08

No elbows to the knee dances. We got a lie to your foot x chart, a little chart with no elbow to the knees Police over here.

Speaker 2: 16:17

Yeah, there could be some good best practices. I'm not saying regulations, but you know.

Speaker 3: 16:22

You gotta stay within the dance guidelines. I.

Speaker 2: 16:26

Feed away oh my goodness, you must be fun at a dad.

Speaker 3: 16:29

I'm starting to not like this dance thing.

Speaker 2: 16:31

You must be fun at a business, a business party, right.

Speaker 3: 16:34

He can't go to a business party and just cut loose completely right depends on your country or how good you are talking about America.

Speaker 2: 16:41

But if you're a good. We live in one of those countries, and it's a country of oppression.

Speaker 3: 16:46

Arguably, you can let loose to hire up your. Yeah, there's DJ CEOs get out of here.

Speaker 1: 16:56

What do you think? Burning man Bezos?

Speaker 2: 16:59

but don't they all show up with they all show up and they don't. They don't say their identity, they say we know who they are, we're right.

Speaker 3: 17:04

Well, you have the whole camp and you let them go. You're giving out all the free freebies.

Speaker 2: 17:11

So I, so you think that dance is gonna be dance washing. It's gonna wash over the badness of the movie but I'm saying that's a good thing. It's gonna cover over the badness of the movie and make it a nice movie to watch.

Speaker 3: 17:21

But you just said the dance could be bad and make the movie worse.

Speaker 2: 17:25

Well, they had elbows to the knees, dance no no, I think dancing, I think the dance and songs generally make it better almost always. So dance is important. I want to get back to, though, about what the lyrics should be. So you were saying, like you know, I'm mr Incredible.

Speaker 2: 17:38

Yeah my wife. That's boring. The songs that really go strong are like super abstract, like like think about, think about like a defying gravity, in in in a wicked. What a bizarrely abstract Concept to be like singing about. Okay, right, because it has all these layers of meaning. And then the same thing, like let it go. It's like a super abstract kind in like little girls get it, they like get it, they understand. Like let it go, it has all these meanings, okay. So I think the songs have to. They should be like that. They should be like highly abstract. They shouldn't be like hey, let me tell you about the plot of the movie in the song. Like no, it should be like deeply.

Speaker 3: 18:20

So don't write.

Speaker 2: 18:21

The song has Double meanings many meanings, yeah, like let it go, has like a million meanings, right.

Speaker 3: 18:28

I mean let it go is almost the same as let it rip. There you go.

Speaker 2: 18:32

Yeah, it's like energized.

Speaker 1: 18:33

Yeah, you wanted to have a Context free enjoyability, right, like you want to be able to be played on the radio, right, like, let it go and people like I get it and you don't have to. It doesn't have to be like here. I'm telling you the story of the movie You're not watching.

Speaker 3: 18:48

Depending on your movie a sci-fi movie they may Not have the same rhythms as as as you're expecting sure you can even bring in, like electronic, you know sort of sci-fi sounding songs. Yeah, but how abstract could they be, david?

Speaker 2: 19:08

Bowie. Oh, like the labyrinth yeah.

Speaker 3: 19:10

Yeah, the labyrinth. The labyrinth was an excellent song.

Speaker 1: 19:14

It just has one. Does it have one or two songs? It was about the movie. Still, it's just one song, though, right Dance.

Speaker 2: 19:19

Magic Dance. It's great, it's super abstract. Put that little spell on me and it carries it all the way through, I think, and then you know what. You know what? I would argue that in Star Wars, the, the, cantina. They're dancing and it's very unique music. Everybody recognizes it, no matter where you hear it, right? I think in a way, they were getting closer to that.

Speaker 1: 19:42

So what do we do about our great actors who will be left out in the cold?

Speaker 2: 19:48

Like Can't sing.

Speaker 1: 19:50

Do you imagine a Paul Giamatti singing, dancing?

Speaker 2: 19:54

Yeah, he can talk, he can do a jokie song or like.

Speaker 1: 19:58

Anthony Hopkins. He's an older man. We don't need him dancing around, but he's a great actor of some sort. You know what Do? We have stunt singers.

Speaker 2: 20:06

You'd be surprised. Do we have stunt singers coming in just for a scene? You'd be surprised. They're sprightly because they are entertainers. They all generally in their background have some dance, some tap. You know they do. They have this training Okay. Almost all actors do. What about the greatest show? Was that a musical? Greatest showman, greatest showman.

Speaker 1: 20:25

The Joker Wolverine.

Speaker 2: 20:27

Yeah, was that a musical or no? No, greatest showman.

Speaker 1: 20:29

Yeah, that's a See punching way above its weight. Yeah, that's a good example, because Because otherwise it'd be a really weird movie. It's just like a circus guy A circus man?

Speaker 2: 20:38

Yeah, but with the music you're like this is great, it carries it, it's fun, you can share it. But is he a good singer? Yeah, he's great, it's a really fun musical. I wonder if this wouldn't save the Disney Star Wars franchise, like if Disney took its. It has musical chops, people in its Orbit right. If they pulled the Moana people and they were like write songs for like Andor or like write songs for the next whatever Star Wars movie.

Speaker 3: 21:09

I think people would be like this is a good Star Wars movie. Star Wars or famous for their soundtracks?

Speaker 1: 21:15

Yeah, and Star Wars fans are famous for allowing new stuff into their universe and not being mad about it. They love that, but what?

Speaker 2: 21:23

did you? What they call Star Wars is space opera.

Speaker 1: 21:26

That's what it is Ah, of course, so that you can put in the musicals, so they can't get mad, of course you never mind.

Speaker 2: 21:31

Like if Luke was looking out the window and then he started to sing about you know some abstract thing that sort of connected back to how his feelings were at that moment.

Speaker 1: 21:40

He's like my home world has two sons.

Speaker 2: 21:43

No, you're doing the literal thing. He has to be like, what he has to be like. Here's my two robot friends and we go on adventures, it would probably Get out of here. It's not like that.

Speaker 3: 21:55

It would be a song probably about consciousness or something. Yeah, and who's my real friend?

Speaker 2: 22:01

Kissing my sister.

Speaker 1: 22:03

What.

Speaker 3: 22:03

On the mouth. What?

Speaker 1: 22:05

Can't roll literal, just kidding.

Speaker 2: 22:07

I guess Aladdin's songs are pretty literal right? It's like Al Prince Ali. It's like this is literally Prince Ali. Let me tell you about him.

Speaker 1: 22:15

Yes, and he's also, I am currently trying to avoid these people from stabbing me, but I'm singing about it at the same time. The person you're going to have a hard time convincing is the most famous director right now, christopher Nolan, because he doesn't make movies.

Speaker 2: 22:31

This is going to change the director field the Joker dances. Oh, is there a musical number in the Joker? No, that's.

Speaker 1: 22:39

Todd.

Speaker 2: 22:42

It makes the movie.

Speaker 1: 22:43

Yeah, it makes the movie he does a dance, okay, well, joker 2 is a full-on musical. Is that going to be a? I haven't seen Joker 1.

Speaker 2: 22:50

There's another Joker movie.

Speaker 1: 22:51

Yeah, it's going to be Joker and it's a musical yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:53

You're joking now.

Speaker 1: 22:55

I'm jokering. Do I ever joke?

Speaker 3: 22:58

about movies.

Speaker 2: 22:59

Is this for?

Speaker 3: 22:59

real. Can you verify? I don't know if he's starting to be a musical.

Speaker 1: 23:01

I can't tell if Scott's being sarcastic or not, but guess who's going to be Harley Quinn. I don't know Lady Gaga.

Speaker 2: 23:07

No you've got to be kidding me.

Speaker 1: 23:08

All right 100% real information here from Scott Cormor. If that's true, then they're taking this solution right now.

Speaker 2: 23:13

They're using our solution. This is We'll have to. We'll cite it when it comes out. Everyone goes through the Joker movie because solutions on the multiverse they still are right.

Speaker 1: 23:22

But I'm saying where do you put a musical number in? That dance is creepy too. Oh, it's creepy. Where do you put one in Oppenheimer?

Speaker 2: 23:29

Do you just like?

Speaker 1: 23:31

I mean, you don't have to do it in every movie. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just saying Wait a minute, I'm just saying. Yeah, oppenheimer, it's quite a nice bicycle you rented to pedal backwards.

Speaker 2: 23:40

That's very interesting.

Speaker 3: 23:43

You said you shouldn't put rules on art.

Speaker 2: 23:45

I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, it's not a, you don't have to do it. You could say this is a drama and there's no musical, and it's totally straight Boring.

Speaker 1: 23:53

Yeah, it's boring.

Speaker 2: 23:56

But just to play devil's advocate, how would you put it in Oppenheimer? I think there could be maybe a moment where he's, a moment where they're doing physics and they're all trying to figure out. Maybe a lot of times when you see a montage, I think you could replace a montage with a musical.

Speaker 2: 24:15

But then there they had the montage where they're building the uranium, they're making the concentrated uranium. Right, you might, but I mean it's hard to make a musical about a thing that killed 600,000 people. Oh, probably, yeah, but there is Sweeney Todd. I mean murder, murder musical.

Speaker 1: 24:30

Did he kill 600,000 people?

Speaker 2: 24:31

No, no, but he killed a lot of people and it's a lot.

Speaker 3: 24:35

That's a lot of upset people.

Speaker 1: 24:36

It's a very successful barber practice.

Speaker 2: 24:38

You don't want to upset people, you don't want to be like.

Speaker 1: 24:40

Because they were laughing and snapping their fingers when they were enriching uranium.

Speaker 3: 24:45

It's like yeah, it's not a good look, yeah, you have to draw the line somewhere.

Speaker 2: 24:50

But Fast and Furious. They're having a fun thing. It might bring some levity and some romance to an otherwise perfectly boy.

Speaker 1: 24:57

Those movies are ridiculous. It could actually fit in there, but I don't want it to be just shoehorn in there.

Speaker 2: 25:04

Or like a heist movie, I think.

Speaker 3: 25:07

Heist movies have dance a lot yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:09

Strippers. You know what movie did this actually recently, but you don't think about it this way, maybe at the beginning is Killers of the Flower Mountain. Because, they have Native American music and then Native American dancing happening on screen in sync with the music. That's a song and dance.

Speaker 1: 25:30

Well, and Scorsese is. He is so skilled at needle drops and putting music in all of his music, all of his movie, like Goodfellas or they have these crazy, and now we use the Rolling Stones You're like, yep, that's perfect you know, in the movie you said early on, the Pulp Fiction, there is a dance. Yeah, when they do this yeah. That's what you was talking about.

Speaker 2: 26:00

Oh, I thought you were saying Add a Song and Dance number two, the Chubby.

Speaker 1: 26:03

Checker.

Speaker 3: 26:03

That movie and I was like, yeah, that would be a weird movie, but they actually have it already, so they have the cover of the cover and a dance put in a movie without making it about the movie Right right, right.

Speaker 2: 26:15

But it strengthens the movie like crazy, develops the character, it develops the themes, it develops the mood.

Speaker 3: 26:21

Whenever you see a person dance, it develops their character. You're like whoa, yeah, they can move. If someone moves in rhythm, their, their, their, their state goes up.

Speaker 2: 26:34

You have more respect for someone who moves in rhythm.

Speaker 3: 26:36

All right, it's just, it's natural habit, yeah, of a human. You're like man. This person's in rhythm. That's a better person.

Speaker 2: 26:45

I think, I think more highly of this person.

Speaker 3: 26:50

I'm like, I have instant jealousy because I'm like oh, man I want to be, I mean naturally clumsy boy, and so when I have to be there, just like if you're just, if they could just do a little move.

Speaker 2: 27:02

You're like oh, so basically what we're saying is musical number. Often time could just be a dance number and we and you'd get as almost the same effect, but I do think you should add full musical numbers where people are singing and anyways. So everybody in Hollywood listening up, just the next film, your screenwriter, if you're a screenwriter, just be like, just to be like parentheses, musical number and parentheses. Just put that into your screenplay like two times, and and the and, let, let, let the director, let other people figure out, but just, you know, think about that as a, as a visual tool, the storytelling tool, that's.

Speaker 1: 27:38

I think underutilized. Yeah, if you're a screenwriter out there and you're typing up your final pages and it's like and the bad guy went to jail. Good job, jack, you're the best cop on the force, all right? Musical number and beat singing dancing, right, you know. And then the triumphant yeah singing dancing.

Speaker 2: 27:58

I had this idea a while ago because I was teaching some, some kids, kids 20 year olds how to do screen screenplays. Okay, and I've written a few screenplays and and one of the screenplays I've been working on more seriously is a biopic of Jane Jacobs and absolute. I, as I was telling, this idea.

Speaker 2: 28:17

I was like, oh my god, jane Jacobs biopic absolutely needs a musical number, and I started to actually sort of like come up with like the lyrics and like kind of how it would look and feel.

Speaker 2: 28:27

Because there's a famous thing in Jane Jacobs books, in the in the death and life of great American cities, called the ballet of the city, and it's all about how the city, the sidewalk, has this sort of or the ballet of the sidewalk. It's about how the sidewalk has this sort of life. You know, people come at different times of day for different things and everyone is like a group of people kind of joining the stage and exiting the stage, and so you could do this really cool. You know also this the building in which she wrote the death and life is like this like had all. It was like a what was like a five-story walk up and every different floor had like multiple different things going on in it. So it'd be cool to like cut away, like Wes Anderson, like a dollhouse, like cut the wall off and then have a musical number of everything going on in that building yeah and Jane Jacobs is just like arriving with her typewriter and and kind of going through people would.

Speaker 2: 29:17

It would just be so much more interesting than if you just were like it's a straight biopic. Right, beautiful mind, straight biopic. No, no song or dance it would just add so much anyways.

Speaker 3: 29:26

So your song, your song about this, is it abstract with multiple means? Gotta make it abstract you said, you started a song a little bit well, I was thinking about calling it.

Speaker 2: 29:39

Yeah, you don't have to tell me the details.

Speaker 3: 29:40

But is it abstract or is it more about the story?

Speaker 2: 29:44

no, it's abstract because it's oh yeah, the name of the song is better together we're better together okay because it's about mixed use, urbanism and but it's very abstract. We're better together, so it's a, but it's also about multiracial democracy. You know it's about better together. It's not being a better if we're diverse, better if we are together in the same spaces and the one and a two, and a one, two, three.

Speaker 1: 30:06

I don't know that. I didn't actually work out music, I just worked out the lyric.

Speaker 2: 30:12

I just worked out at least one lyric better together, and then that would be you know it'd be a power ballad it power. This would just be a power ballad standard musical.

Speaker 3: 30:19

Yeah would Jane dance or just other people in the house?

Speaker 2: 30:23

I think Jane probably cut up a little bit, or at least she'd be going through the scene. You know she's on a bike, you know she's walking through the scene. I think she'd be more like walking through the scene, going and doing, and then everyone around her.

Speaker 2: 30:34

I have an additive for you yeah, please, where, if let's riff here she's sitting at the typewriter and it looks like her fingers are dancing to cut away to what she's writing about in the different parts of that, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I like, if you bring it back, a call back they dance when she comes in, yeah, yeah she sits down, actually work.

Speaker 3: 30:51

It's like she starts to think about yes, yes, I think what.

Speaker 2: 30:54

I like is her sitting at a bit on a bench on in the morning and then the whole day of the city happens around her and every like part of the day of the city is like another people entering. So, like you know, she's sitting there and like the baker like opens up, up the thing and now the baker gets to sing a little bit about being better together and then, like then businessmen come on and are like making their way, you know, or construction guys are going through because it's the morning and they're going to the construction site, yeah, and then the businessmen come, and then the moms of the strollers, and then the you know it's the beauty in the beast song, the beginning, where she's like going through the town with her book.

Speaker 1: 31:30

Oh, I recall bonjour, bonjour, bonjour, bonjour, bonjour, because the bread right, so you like everyone always it feels like very broad, like this is a very I think Broadway right now is where they have people who are just like we need to put music into all the shows, but it's how the culture is here. Yeah, so you, just you hire those people to help people out there.

Speaker 3: 31:54

Well, you know what there's. Where do we get these people to do the music? Because schools are removing music classes, shutting down. It's very hard to get a good whoa training. I think we, okay, I think we overproduce musicians at this point.

Speaker 2: 32:10

I think, it's fine yeah, I had a guy too much there's too much. I interviewed a guy once who wrote the song Space Cowboy by.

Speaker 3: 32:20

You know, some people call me the Space Cowboy the guy who made that song made me the gangster yeah, for Steve Miller band.

Speaker 1: 32:28

He made the songs, gave it to Steve Miller band he was telling it, he was telling you go, wow, how do?

Speaker 3: 32:34

you write that space cowboy.

Speaker 1: 32:38

Oh, I have a question on the lyrics here AI, how do I pronounce?

Speaker 2: 32:44

I. What is that wow?

Speaker 3: 32:47

I really like your peaches. Yeah, maurice Maurice, this guy's name Maurice, so this guy.

Speaker 2: 33:01

I was asking this guy and he said at the golden age of jazz there was like 180 jazz artists in exist, like in existence, it's not a lot. And then, and that were recorded you know that we have a record of today. Every year there's like 8,000 jazz PhDs graduate we need them for it. We need their services right well, I mean, I'm not against musical education, don't get me wrong, but I'm just not worried that we're not gonna be able to find people to write the songs.

Speaker 1: 33:29

But there's people out. It is a valid boy that they're slashing arts funding. Yeah, I love art. Probably gonna result, especially with AI automating everything.

Speaker 2: 33:37

We absolutely should be focusing on art. What else are human beings gonna do?

Speaker 3: 33:41

gonna result in movies with bad musicals we got to start at start while they're young. But here's the thing we got. We're talking about movies and musicals, but maybe this conversation should continue. To Dance can improve life in all aspects outside of movies.

Speaker 1: 34:05

In your business? In what do you mean?

Speaker 2: 34:08

In your bank, your bank.

Speaker 1: 34:10

I am so against this as a person who is terrible at dancing.

Speaker 2: 34:13

I mean, it's easy dances and then you get better at it. Come on, growth mindset.

Speaker 3: 34:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:18

Well, that's it for today, guys. Do we solve it? I think we did. Do you guys convince.

Speaker 1: 34:25

I'm not. I'm convinced. I'm even more convinced than before. I like my movies.

Speaker 2: 34:29

We already said the good movies have a lot of musicals.

Speaker 1: 34:32

Some do, but.

Speaker 2: 34:32

I feel like they could do more, the ones that need musicals.

Speaker 1: 34:36

The ones that need musicals You're saying it's perfect.

Speaker 2: 34:38

Well, the ones that need musicals have them, and the ones that don't, don't. No come on, clearly, you could do it better or worse. They're either too many or too few. It's not that they're in the wrong.

Speaker 1: 34:45

There's not the right amount.

Speaker 2: 34:46

No, clearly it's too and it's too few. Because it's not too many. You wouldn't be like, oh, there's too many musicals. God, I'm always like, looking at my watch, saying when's this musical number gonna end?

Speaker 1: 34:54

You never said that, but terrible oh you are when they're bad musicals. Scott Skeptical I am, but that's my job, right?

Speaker 2: 35:00

Exactly the way they are.

Speaker 1: 35:01

I like my movies, or he wants fewer musicals.

Speaker 2: 35:03

He wants fewer musical numbers. What do you think Bedford Fewer more exactly the right amount already.

Speaker 3: 35:09

We need more.

Speaker 1: 35:10

I just don't want a singing, dancing. Hop on my side. That's what I'm saying. Well, that's, I didn't say it's not strict.

Speaker 2: 35:16

It's not a strict rule. All right, should we finish?

Speaker 1: 35:20

Yes.

Speaker 2: 35:21

Thanks everybody for coming along.

Speaker 1: 35:23

Enjoy the movie talk. See you back next week. There are no other podcasts that talk about movies so I think we are gonna get a quite a bump this episode.

Speaker 2: 35:33

Yeah Well, I don't think anyone's ever proposed what I proposed here today, so that's good. That's what you come here for. This is new ideas.

Speaker 1: 35:40

That is definitely new, New ideas for sure. All right. Well, thank you, Bedford for joining us.

Speaker 2: 35:45

Yeah, thanks for dropping in Bedford.

Speaker 1: 35:47

Thank you guys for listening in and we'll catch you next week. Bedford. Is there anything we should plug for you? Do you want to plug anything? Do you want to send anyone?

Speaker 3: 35:55

anywhere.

Speaker 2: 35:55

Peace on.

Speaker 3: 35:56

Earth. I want everyone to go and find a line dance this week.

Speaker 2: 36:02

Some contra dancing, some line dancing, some line dancing. Okay, you all have your homework.

Speaker 3: 36:08

You're marching orders.

Speaker 1: 36:09

Go find line dances. We'll see you next time.

Speaker 2: 36:13

Jiddy-o Bye cyber HeavyUNT.