Speaker 1 0:17

I have another solution car solution. This episode.

Speaker 2 0:20

A car solution.

Speaker 1 0:21

It's more of a climate change solution. All right, what have we got? Okay, so I went to this slide.

Speaker 2 0:24

Oh wait, hello, Welcome to.

Speaker 1 0:25

Solutions for the Multimedia. Hi everybody, adam Brouse here, scott.

Speaker 1 0:28

I'm here to talk to you every week. Totally new solution or not necessarily totally new, but totally out of the mainstream. It will surprise you, yes, it will surprise you, and this episode is no different. This will surprise you. That's the SFM guarantee. Sfm stamp it on there.

Speaker 1 0:45

So I went to a climate change thing a couple of days ago. It was like a pro or anti. It was definitely well, that's the thing. It was like a bunch of people, it was like a bunch of MBAs and they were like how do we fight the climate? But it was kind of like how do we make a lot of money fighting the climate, climate change? Not a great, not a great look. And then they were all just like the best thing you can do is like buy a Tesla. I was like these people are idiots, like that's definitely not the best thing you can do because you know we can't. Everyone tomorrow bought a Tesla. It wouldn't change climate change. It'd still be totally screwed, because cars are only like 4% of carbon. Most car, most climate change is buildings heating and cooling buildings and building and tearing down buildings that's most climate change. So we should build.

Speaker 2 1:35

Tesla buildings. That's right, so that's the solution.

Speaker 1 1:38

Just take Tesla's turn them upright and stack them next to each other and then put beds across the, the. The put beds and desks across the, the backs of the wow.

Speaker 2 1:48

That's a. I think we just solved climate change.

Speaker 1 1:50

That's what the solution is for today. That's real fast yeah.

Speaker 2 1:52

Okay.

Speaker 1 1:55

So I was sitting there and I was consternated because I was like these people are idiots, Like this is terrible.

Speaker 2 2:00

Oh hey, I was so consternated.

Speaker 1 2:03

I needed. I needed some proof.

Speaker 2 2:05

Do you?

Speaker 1 2:05

want some consternation? Yeah, get rid of that consternation. So I was sitting there consternated and nothing gets me coming up with new solutions better than consternation. You know, I think consternation is just like fertilizer.

Speaker 2 2:18

You sit there stewing in a corner and you're like I'm going to write some good ideas and get out your little pocket notebook. And I was like what about this?

Speaker 1 2:25

And you just write it down and, like these guys don't even know Stoop is stoop, that's what I call them. Stoop is stoop. So they all had the right, you know, they all had sort of the best intentions, but I was like, not what you're saying is not like sure, put in a, put in a, put in a hunt a heat pump, you know, use a, use, a better use, an induction stove, get a Tesla. If we did all of that, it wouldn't. It wouldn't make a difference, a big enough difference to actually really prevent the climate crisis.

Speaker 2 2:54

We could just repopulate America with Canadians, and then they have this weird Sign me up Reaction re. They have this weird resistance to cold so that like they can be in like really cold buildings and shorts and they don't have to turn on the heat.

Speaker 1 3:06

But you know, climate change is actually heating the earth. It's both right it is, but it's mostly heating Okay, so they're raising the degree.

Speaker 2 3:13

When it goes the other way. We'll kick out the Canadians. We'll bring in some warm climate people to live in America Hot and Tots, hot and Tots, the hot and Tots.

Speaker 1 3:20

Bring in the hot and Tots. Get out the Kinects. Kick out the Kinects. Bring in the hot and Tots.

Speaker 2 3:26

Live in our buildings and don't use the air condition, jesus.

Speaker 1 3:31

Um so yeah, so I was doing and so I came up with a solution, and the solution is actually was kind of kind of told to me by this other guy I went to this urban, urban environmentalist group.

Speaker 2 3:42

Okay.

Speaker 1 3:43

And there was a guy there who was was promoting this solution and and I I thought it was great. He was very quiet, he wasn't like leading anything, he just was sitting there.

Speaker 2 3:52

Right.

Speaker 1 3:53

But when I talked to him he was like yeah, I'm part of like a small group of people who's trying to get the highways a lot of highways tear down in San Francisco and, in their place, building dense multi-use neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 4:08

Oh, I think I've heard of this, maybe from you, I don't know if it's on a mic or not?

Speaker 1 4:11

I don't think it's on a mic.

Speaker 2 4:13

Maybe taking down 280 specifically.

Speaker 1 4:15

Yes, yes, and, and I, yeah, they should take. So I've looked at the maps and now I'm convinced, too, that this is a really good solution for cities across the world. Highways just create more traffic. That's been proven. If you build highways, you separate people from where they're going to go.

Speaker 2 4:35

Oh yeah, oh yeah, they have a lot of highways and there's hardly ever any traffic.

Speaker 1 4:41

I don't like traffic. There's a lot of traffic in LA and I don't like it.

Speaker 2 4:46

Oh hi, Welcome to the podcast. Who are you talking to now? I'm Angela. You just walked in the door and just kicked over the door and sat down on the microphone.

Speaker 1 4:55

This is are you guys recording something.

Speaker 2 4:58

Yeah, that's what the microphones are All these wires.

Speaker 1 5:03

So LA great example the more highways you build the more traffic you have. Yeah, it's just like it's just like the more hard drives you buy, the more data you store, yep, the more whatever it just grows with it. So we need to go the opposite direction Tear down the highways. So in San Francisco I think you could tear down. I looked at the map. I think you could tear down from Daily City all of 280 and all of 101, all the way Because 101 goes all the way from.

Speaker 2 5:29

How would I get what's my highway way to go through the city? Then there is no highway way to go through the city. That sucks Driving in San Francisco sucks.

Speaker 1 5:37

Don't go through the city. Go around what. Go around. San Francisco there's city. Cities have no obligation to pay taxpayer dollars and use their land to make it so that people who aren't coming to the city, who are trying to drive through the city, have some easier life. There's no responsibility to those people. Where does this logic stop? Because then you want Eliminate highways in downtowns of cities.

Speaker 2 6:02

You're going to be like I want you to blow up the Bay Bridge the Golden Gate Bridge, the Bay Bridge. If you already live on this peninsula, then you don't get to come to it.

Speaker 1 6:12

No, bridges are great. The bridge comes across the road, the water, and then it immediately turns into Both of those bridges are highways.

Speaker 2 6:19

Both of those are highways.

Speaker 1 6:21

They're bridges. The point is, in the city you get rid of highways.

Speaker 2 6:24

But why do you make people, why do people get to escape the city on a bridge and not on a highway?

Speaker 1 6:29

You just said it bridges are highways. Just go to Brooklyn, they do, or Manhattan, they do this. The Manhattan Bridge just goes across into Manhattan and then it's just the grid of Manhattan.

Speaker 2 6:41

There is no highway. Famously, New York has no problems with traffic and driving around.

Speaker 1 6:45

Fewer traffic. Fewer problems than LA I wouldn't know actually, oh, but definitely fewer. I mean, in New York you don't have these two-hour gridlock every day, twice a day. Also, new York's problem is not enough protected bike lanes. If you had protected bike lanes in Manhattan.

Speaker 2 7:03

Right, you're going to the Golden Gate Bridge into bike lanes only.

Speaker 1 7:06

No, no, it's fine to have the bridges have.

Speaker 2 7:09

Why is that okay?

Speaker 1 7:10

Because they're perfect for cars. Cars are good forms of transportation.

Speaker 2 7:14

So you know, but what you want is a multimodal system. Sometimes trucks and stuff that are carrying cargo from place to place go on the highways across, so they don't have to drive through the Highways like that should go around cities.

Speaker 1 7:27

They shouldn't go through the hearts of the city, but they have to get the trucks to the places in the cities. Yeah, then they get off onto the. There's still thoroughfares. Look at Venice. Venice is a four lane thoroughfare with bus rapid transit in the middle. Great, there isn't back-to-back traffic for two hours a day on it like a highway.

Speaker 2 7:51

I could be down for getting rid of duplicate highways, because it does seem like 280 and 101 go in the same spot, at least in. San Francisco there's two highways that service roughly the same area, to the point where I will get off of one and get onto 280, because I'm like this thing is always empty and I can just drive and not be in traffic, but the 101. You can tear it down to Tearing down both of them. I'm like wait a minute.

Speaker 1 8:13

Because the 101 doesn't go all the way to the bridge either. There's no highway between Mission Bay. It turns into the grid street and then you keep going and you take a left and a right. And then you end up on the.

Speaker 2 8:26

You can drive all the way through San Francisco on the highway. No you can't.

Speaker 1 8:30

I've driven on the 101. When you get to Mission Bay it stops being a highway, and it just because it's right by the Caltrain.

Speaker 2 8:35

What it's right by the Caltrain? I don't think so. I feel like you could go right by the Caltrain.

Speaker 1 8:40

The 101 ends and it just turns into Mission Bay and then you go a few streets and you take a left and then you get back on the highway to go to the bridge All right, I'm not familiar.

Speaker 1 8:50

I think that's right. Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. There is a way to get off, but you're right, there is a way to go all the way through, but I think we should get rid of that. Okay, I think we should tear those all down, and all that land could turn into dense, multi-use housing offices buildings shops, stores, grocery stores.

Speaker 2 9:09

Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 9:10

You just said buildings were the problem with climate change Because they're building them too far apart from each other and suburban mansions and stuff. It's not like if you build a super dense downtown multi-use building, that's not an issue. Well, I mean you use carbon to do that, but it's not nearly as bad as like palatial estates that have big lawns or stuff. Yeah, suburban neighborhoods, everyone's driving everywhere.

Speaker 2 9:36

What I feel like. This is, you know, imagine Opposite of everything I've ever.

Speaker 1 9:41

Imagine a single family has a 5,000 square foot home versus if you live in downtown in a city a single family is going to have like 2,000 would be like an enormous house.

Speaker 2 9:49

You're talking about big structures, not just places that are spaced out from each other.

Speaker 1 9:53

Because I'm like a farm is like.

Speaker 2 9:55

Both. A farm is like a small building at a large area around it. Not a farm does a specific task.

Speaker 1 10:00

It makes food. It's fine.

Speaker 2 10:02

Yeah, not have farms.

Speaker 1 10:04

I mean you could do farming less carbon intensively, more carbon intensively, but a farm is a farm. What I'm talking about is a single family of four people has three cars, four cars who knows three or four cars? And they have a 5,000 square foot house that they have to heat in the summer, or heat in the winter and cool in the summer, and you know, that's what's bad for the environment If you had those same people moving to, if everyone moved into downtowns of cities.

Speaker 2 10:28

I'm avoiding just saying rich people Because that's who owns those?

Speaker 1 10:31

No, poor people live in suburbs and have big houses in suburbs.

Speaker 2 10:34

I think the people who have big houses that are spaced in nice places are rich people, right? I don't know.

Speaker 1 10:41

I fly over cities and all I see is single family homes. Those are all poor, rich people. Every single one of those people's rich Maybe not? Okay, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 10:50

I think that's what your target of the house is just any house, it's like not.

Speaker 1 10:56

So right now we're in Oakland, california, yes, and we are. We're in a place that's a two bedroom apartment. It probably has 1000 square feet.

Speaker 2 11:05

Little under that, yeah.

Speaker 1 11:05

Yeah, so perfectly good amount of space for people to live very comfortably.

Speaker 2 11:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:11

This is like not even one room of a suburban home.

Speaker 2 11:16

That's true, that's true. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 11:18

Yeah, there's just a huge wild waste of resources to and not only did those suburban homes are they expensive to heat and cool in terms of carbon, but they also were expensive to build in terms of carbon and usually all those suburbs were all built on land nature that they destroyed nature to build.

Speaker 2 11:38

They plowed it on sure, sure, so you know.

Speaker 1 11:40

So they destroyed wetlands, or they destroyed a forest, or they destroyed a prairie.

Speaker 2 11:44

You're arguing that humans are very smart as far as long-term thinking, that we don't mess up or go greedy and do short-term gains, never, never, okay, because I can get on board with that.

Tearing Down Highways for Sustainable Cities

Speaker 1 11:54

We'll carefully plan for long-termism? Yeah, totally. But this is what people say. They say, well, where would we build? San Francisco's already built out and you're like I just say Tear down the highways, tear down the highways. We don't need them, they're just traffic machines. You tear them down. You still have to have like a thoroughfare street. Sure, that's fine Like a Venn Ness or like a you know whatever a thoroughfare. But that thoroughfare street can be like Guerrero. Guerrero is a thoroughfare 280 turns into Guerrero. That's my street I live on.

Speaker 1 12:24

It's not that bad to live on. It's fine, and if it had better bike lanes it'd be great, It'd be really nice, so yeah. So I think that's a really good. That would be a really good solution for climate change.

Speaker 2 12:36

So tear it.

Speaker 1 12:37

If all across the country and the world people started to say let's tear down all the highways in the downtowns of cities and build not super skyscraper buildings, just you know, nice beautiful. Yeah, beautiful human scale, you know multimodal transit neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 12:55

Well, what do we do about these people in the suburbs with their big houses and their small occupancies?

Speaker 1 13:00

Well, you don't want to force anyone to do anything. What you do is you offer them a superior thing.

Speaker 2 13:04

You're like, hey look, would you like to not live in your suburban mansion and come instead into this small like apartment in the city? Yeah, people would say, yes, most people would say yes.

Speaker 1 13:14

Most people would say yes, yeah, yeah yeah, how do? You figure that. Why do you think it's so expensive? Why is San Francisco so expensive to live in? Supply and demand, baby. There's a high demand. There's a high demand that's not being met. That's why the price goes up. I feel like there might be some other metrics.

Speaker 2 13:29

I mean some other people.

Speaker 1 13:30

I mean, it's everybody's preference, they don't have to live there. But I mean, it's objectively true that there's a high price to live in downtowns of cities. They're all expensive. That means there's a high demand that's not being met.

Speaker 2 13:43

I think there are just different types of people. So if you built a bunch more housing, they would fill up immediately with people. But the people living in the suburbs in single occupancy houses, I feel like they're people that like that, that's fine, they can live in the city, and they would be like no, I don't want to live in a weird apartment in the city.

Speaker 1 13:59

They don't have to do it. I mean, this is the thing. We're at the point with climate change that we don't need to convert our enemies, we just need to rally our friends.

Speaker 2 14:11

So let's say, we get some people on board and they're moving into these places. Now, what do we do with their empty places, do we?

Speaker 1 14:17

Doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 14:19

Destroy them and make more of these.

Speaker 1 14:20

No, if you destroy them. It takes more carbon.

Speaker 2 14:23

We just leave them empty.

Speaker 1 14:25

Well, they probably won't be empty. They'll probably be. You know people. Other people will buy them. The prices will go down. Okay, so the price goes down. People buy them for cheaper, whatever, people don't want their house prices to go down, I feel. Well, the house prices in, you know whatever suburbs might go down. I mean house prices go up and down all over the country. That's true. So that depends on supply and demand, it's all so. Also, it's not our responsibility to make sure people's houses are more valuable.

Speaker 2 14:50

It's our responsibility to actually you have to think through people's.

Speaker 1 14:55

Yeah, the main action I want to do is Tear down highways. Dense. Well, that's just a good solution, but what we really want is we want dense, human scale, multi-use neighborhoods with multimodal transit.

Speaker 2 15:09

Right.

Speaker 1 15:11

So that would massively aid in the climate problems because it's a way less carbon intensive way to live a very well you know, luxuriously comfortable life, but without the carbon intensity of having to drive it over the car and heat 5,000 square feet of just so that you can live in 1,000 square feet not even a single human only needs a few hundred square feet of indoor space to live in that's heated and cooled.

Speaker 1 15:40

So, yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that would be cool. Also just make the cities more great. Like I biked over that area, like over in that highway area, it's a mess over there, Like it's just. There's horrible like tent cities and there's all this like just glass on the ground.

Speaker 1 16:00

The air just smells like bad because there's all this like old. It's not like active factories that are actually doing anything, it's just old crap that no one is doing anything with, because no one wants to live by the highway, because the highway is trash and super noisy and annoying. But if you got rid, of the highway, all that land would become highly desirable land to develop. So yeah we're just killing ourselves with these highways.

Speaker 2 16:24

Is that true? I mean it is. Yeah, it did change the face of our country in a different way that, like Europe, didn't get.

Speaker 1 16:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2 16:34

Nobody like that was a very specific, like post-war or wartime thing, where they're like let's make the highway system robust in the biggest world, and then you're just like, well, that's a lot to maintain. And or like you're saying, it makes more cars happen, and then you fill it up and then you're like I guess we need more highways. And then keeps going in a cycle. It's a spiral.

Speaker 1 16:55

A lot of people might know, or maybe people know the story of Jane Jacobs fighting Robert Moses.

Speaker 2 17:05

And.

Speaker 1 17:05

Robert Moses was called the power broker and he worked for the federal government and he was the guy who would decide. He was like a Mandarin, like a government powerhouse, and he decided where the highways went and he didn't just work in like, oh, I'm connecting two cities with a highway. He was really into the parkway, which meant a highway that slices through the city, and he was gonna build a highway that sliced through. It was called the Manhattan Expressway and it was a highway that went directly across Midtown Manhattan and it was gonna come down and just slice through Chelsea, the Chelsea neighborhood, and then cut across and just slice all the way through Midtown Manhattan and connect off and go.

Speaker 2 17:51

So it'd go all the way from Connecticut.

Speaker 1 17:52

I don't think about New York January, so We'd go all the way from the north, down from Connecticut all the way south into Manhattan and then go all the way over, and there was gonna be a downtown express that was gonna go all the way down to the lower Manhattan. So basically he was gonna slice through like a machete through the urban context of Manhattan. He was gonna slice it all up. Jane Jacobs and a bunch of other activists fought him and stopped both the Manhattan.

Speaker 1 18:21

Expressway and the downtown express, which we're gonna go through Chelsea and that's where they were based and so they prevented it. Chelsea now that land is the most expensive land in the country, otherwise it would be trash. It would be just like the trash of Eastern San Francisco. That's just trash land because of the highway. But instead it's the most valuable land in the country because they didn't build these highways that he planned. So all the other highways so my argument is, all the highways that they did build across the country are on potential Chelsea's.

Speaker 1 18:56

You could reverse that process and we did this in San Francisco already, where the highway used to go from Octavia Street all the way into Hayes Valley, all the way into the Western Edition, and it was a raised highway and it was about 12, that's about 12 blocks. Guess what they did.

Speaker 2 19:14

Took it down they took it down.

Speaker 1 19:16

And now what's there? Hayes Valley, one of the most beautiful, expensive, in-demand, hip neighborhoods in San Francisco. Okay, is there? So we have the proof already of seeing Chelsea is like a case point, but Hayes Valley, they did that in the late 90s, early 2000s. They tore down the highway. So if we did that all the way back to Daily City, I mean it would be nuts. It would be so cool how much, what a beautiful corridor you could create.

Speaker 2 19:47

You know, who you need to get on board with this Is the people that stop the pipelines, the oil pipelines, for being. You know what I mean? I mean they're busy, obviously. They're stopping the oil pipelines. But if you can get like a section of those guys to peel off and get up on the highway, work on the highway, stopping the highway line.

Speaker 1 20:03

I think people just need to see that climate change is not an austerity question. We're not gonna reduce, we're not gonna get rid of things.

Speaker 2 20:11

What do you mean?

Speaker 1 20:12

It's not austerity, like people think and the right wing and the people who want to fight, but people who want to keep burning fossil fuels and wasting plastics and wasting everything. They try to make it seem like any kind of climate action is going to be an act of austerity. You're gonna lose things we already talked about this like straws. You're losing your plastic straws. Oh, those annoying greenies, those tree huggers, are gonna take away your straws.

Speaker 1 20:39

The reality is, climate change is gonna take away your traffic and give you a beautiful neighborhood full of parks and stores and beautiful homes that you can live in at an affordable price. That's what climate change is gonna give you, or fighting the climate crisis is gonna give you but, and so people don't realize that. They think, oh, we gotta tighten our belts and wear a cardigan and turn down the thermostat. No, no, that doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 21:04

I mean you can still do that. Most people think of the idea of fighting climate change like going on a diet where you're like. I don't get to eat any of the fun stuff and I never get to let loose and have a good time. I just have to be strict and boring all the time and you're saying no.

Speaker 1 21:20

We can take the thing you hate most in life traffic. People hate traffic. Parking. People hate parking. Okay, we can get rid of all that and we can put in place. You can take sunny bicycle rides through beautiful neighborhoods and you're safe and getting exercise and your families with you and your kids are safe.

Speaker 2 21:41

Your end point is always boo cars, yay bikes, yeah bikes. That's where we always end up, people love it.

Speaker 1 21:46

People love biking. If it's safe, people love it, Of course. So yeah, so that's the thing Take highways and rip them down.

Speaker 2 21:52

So you biked over here. You think this is a spot now that I could get a bike and bike around.

Speaker 1 21:57

You don't need to buy a bike.

Speaker 2 21:58

There's a lift station like two blocks from here, so I can use bikes and get around that way and not have to drive from place to place.

Speaker 1 22:04

Absolutely, oakland is one of the top cities in the country for biking and bike infrastructure, and it's going, it's accelerating. It's not like, oh, we're done, it's like they've been doing a lot for the last 10 years and they're only accelerating more.

Speaker 2 22:19

So yeah, this is a great bike area, okay well, I was always told well, my thing when I moved to San Francisco was people would be like don't, you can't bike here.

Speaker 1 22:28

Oh, my God, I can't bike.

Speaker 2 22:29

You get a first of all the hills, and second of all, you're going to get smashed by a driver who doesn't pay any attention. That's not true, though.

Speaker 1 22:35

That's false. That's false. Both the hills and you'll be smashed. They're both wrong. Okay, yeah, because if you follow the bike paths, which I wouldn't recommend biking on any street that doesn't have a bike path. Okay, but you don't have to, and they go everywhere. So if you follow the bike paths, which Google Maps shows you where the bike paths- are you are very safe from traffic and it goes around the hills. The bike paths go literally around the hills they dodge the hills.

Speaker 2 23:04

Well, I've always been a fan Like I want to get a bike. I don't even own one right now, I have like a scooter, an electric scooter but I want to get a bike so that I can go around. And I was just always told like no, no, no, this is not a biking place, cause in Japan it was a biking place, like I had a bike everywhere I lived and in fact, longer I didn't have a car some places when I had a bike only and would bike and bus and it was great. You know, like biking everywhere. I'm like I gotta get back to that.

Speaker 1 23:30

It's just you could totally bike here. This is perfect. Your street right outside has bike lanes on both sides. They're not protected bike lanes. Get a bike, get a cat we're good. You don't have to buy a bike, just do the lift bikes.

Speaker 2 23:40

Okay, how much are those? This is a commercial. Make this a commercial for lift bikes.

Speaker 1 23:44

The lift bikes. What I do is I buy lift pink, which is like they're once a month, once a year. $200 a year subscription. Okay 15% off lifts and it gives you free bikes. Oh, and the electric bikes are cheaper, but you don't need the electric bike in Oakland, cause it's all flat, it's all flat, yeah so you just get the regular bikes and that's free. It's free, well, $200 a month a year, okay, so yeah, $200 a year and then but that's also like applies to your lift car situation Annuation 15%.

Speaker 2 24:13

I only really use a lift car situation. I don't go out drinking, so I only use a lift car situation when. I'm like headed to an airport, you know, and I don't want to take my car with me.

Speaker 1 24:21

Well, you could sell your car, I could sell my car. I mean no car. Now you save $5,000 a year on average. That's not on average. It cost about $5,000. I know.

Speaker 2 24:30

Well, yeah, so there you go $200 versus $5,000.

Speaker 1 24:33

You live pretty close to like a whole foods too. You could just bike over to your groceries.

Speaker 2 24:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1 24:38

If you want to be really cool, you could get one of those urban arrows, like one of those the bikes like the cargo bikes.

Speaker 2 24:44

I could get rid of my car, save $5,000, and spend $5,000 on a fancy bike.

Speaker 1 24:47

I think it's like 2,000, but yeah, and it would last for a decade, Of course, and especially if you get the ones that don't get ones with the batteries built in. You want the replaceable batteries? Okay, cause then if in three or four years the batteries crap, you just replace it.

Speaker 2 25:01

Okay, as opposed to if it's built into the frame, it's harder to get. It's done. Yeah, okay, so you got it. Well, I'll have to. I'm definitely not in the bike buying zone yet, but I'll consult you when I am.

Speaker 1 25:12

I wouldn't buy one because you know you have to store it somewhere safe?

Speaker 2 25:15

Well, that's true.

Speaker 1 25:16

Do you have a safe place in your house? Do you have like a garage?

Speaker 2 25:18

Are you asking me if I have a panic room? Do? You have a A very sneaky way to try and pry. What are you casing my place right now.

Speaker 1 25:25

Trying to find out if I have a panic room.

Panic Rooms, Highways, and Land Management

Speaker 2 25:27

Bro, I wouldn't even tell you All right, if I do or don't, I'm not telling you. Tear down the highways, I'm gonna tear down the highways. Build apartments with panic rooms, build apartments with as many panic rooms, as you possibly yeah. Three panic rooms per apartment, please, in case you love.

Speaker 1 25:43

This is what.

Speaker 2 25:43

Gen Z is going to need. What if one of the panic rooms? Is what freaked you out. You need a second panic room, a backup panic room, a panic panic room, bro. A panic room B. Oh my gosh, I'm in the panic room but it's not helping. I need to go to the second panic room. Well, you need that's it.

Speaker 1 25:58

You need a big panic room and then a smaller panic room Inside that. Inside the big panic room, panic room squared, there can be a calm. Why are they called panic rooms? I always thought they should be called calm rooms, like safety rooms.

Speaker 2 26:10

Well, and if you're a claustrophobic, you need more of like a panic gym. You need like a A panic VR A panic warehouse. A panic warehouse where you have more space.

Speaker 1 26:20

And if you're a gorophobic, then panic rooms are fine. Yeah, like a panic suitcase. Here's my panic suitcase. Hold on, I just put my hand in there. This is actually. This is my America's Got Talent thing.

Speaker 2 26:33

This is my panic suitcase, and now watch me slowly fold myself specifically into the suitcase and zip it up with my Romanian like. What is it called? No Contortion, yeah, contortion skills Nice.

Speaker 1 26:47

Yep.

Speaker 2 26:48

All right.

Speaker 1 26:49

Climate change. Climate change Solve it with housing Smashing. Smash the highways.

Speaker 2 26:54

Smash the highways, build the housing.

Speaker 1 26:55

Build the houses. It'd be amazing and you already can go. Look at it. Just look at Hayes Valley in San Francisco. At you, chelsea and and Chelsea, midtown, manhattan. That used to be a highway. It was Skid Row. Everybody knew it. Hayes Valley was Skid Row. You talk to anybody who lived here before the 90, like in the early 90s.

Speaker 2 27:13

Which just means like bad news place.

Speaker 1 27:15

Bad news, okay, total project to shit. I grew up in Kansas In a neighborhood.

Speaker 2 27:20

In a suburb and there was not like a Skid Row section of our suburb that I knew of. No right. So, yeah, you would have been anti my entire, like my entire city. Growing up, I think, yeah, I mean there is not a lot of like multi-family high-rise. Yeah, I grew up in Madison.

Speaker 1 27:37

Wisconsin, which because of the there's two big lakes. And then the whole city is built on a land bridge, like it's called an Ismus, it's like the land bridge between two lakes, and so that water feature sort of thing condensed the city. And made it so, even though it's like a Western city that could be just this sprawled pancake thing. Instead it had this sort of dense downtown. That was cool. What are the two?

Speaker 2 28:02

body. What are the two body of water?

Speaker 1 28:04

Lake Minona and Lake Mendota, minona and Mendota, are you just?

Speaker 2 28:08

You know you can lie, mananana. You know you can lie to me right now. Are you lying to me right now?

Speaker 1 28:13

Winnebago and.

Speaker 2 28:15

Taco Bell Lake, minona Lake, mendota Lake.

Speaker 1 28:18

Minona and Lake Mendota. Minona is the Southeast, mendota is the Northwest.

Speaker 2 28:23

This is Madison, wisconsin. Yeah, sounds like a silly place it has five lakes Sounds like a silly place.

Speaker 1 28:27

That's just two of the five lakes. They also have Mud Lake and two other ones.

Speaker 2 28:31

New York has five boroughs, madison, wisconsin has five lakes.

Speaker 1 28:34

That's right. Yeah, the lakes are beautiful and in the winter you can just walk across them. You're like I want to go over there. You just walk directly across, because it's just ice Snow.

Speaker 2 28:46

Is there no cross country ski across? Is there no concern of falling through now?

Speaker 1 28:49

Well, maybe for like a week. You're like it's September and April.

Speaker 2 28:54

Yeah, september and April for like a week, and then it gets thick and some people fall through and they're like well, we lost them. Drive trucks across. It's been no to took it, men another one, take it. Manona, give it to the man, take it now I call where's your brother Manona, or just a little to come.

Speaker 1 29:10

People do die actually.

Speaker 2 29:12

People if you just walk across, frozen water is not during the ice.

Speaker 1 29:16

They die in the summer. They die when it's open water, when they swim. So every yeah you can't walk across it, then yeah, you could definitely fall out Jebus can walk on water, it like this kind of a climate change things, really just a land management thing. But now the lakes in Wisconsin, at least those two, are getting really nasty. It used to be that they were really.

Speaker 2 29:35

It sounds like every summer you got dead bodies falling. Yeah, there's lots of dead bodies.

Speaker 1 29:39

You're like yeah, it used to be really nice.

Speaker 2 29:41

Now there's all these floating corpses. It's kind of gross sleep with the fishes and mandora. You really don't want to cross it until they freeze over those corpses, or not, madison?

Speaker 1 29:49

used to be a where where the Chicago mafia would go and hide out. But you know, the Chicago mafia guy Like Al Capone.

Speaker 2 29:57

Al Capone would go to.

Speaker 1 29:59

Madison when he needed to like what yeah, when you need to like leave the city, to like because there was too hot, you know, not like hot but like the police, you know we're on to him. He would go to Madison and just like chill and Madison for like a few weeks.

Speaker 2 30:12

And sit in a diner and eat some like clam chowder or something.

Speaker 1 30:15

Yeah, Madison was Al Capone's backyard.

Speaker 2 30:19

Yeah and that's a. That's the pot they claim to fame. You like, you're like sure cool.

Speaker 1 30:25

There was like a spit, there was like a bookstore called poos corner like Winnie the Pooh, okay, and that building was where Al Capone would go and hang out. That was like his place.

Speaker 2 30:33

I like reading, like reading about gangsters.

Speaker 1 30:37

Yeah, winnie the Pooh, this you have no idea.

Speaker 2 30:41

It's your character. I really connect with this, your character. He's like sad on the inside and I'm like.

Speaker 1 30:49

But I can't tells nobody I Down, but yeah, and they don't, and they build housing and the highways go around the city.

Speaker 2 31:02

Yeah, yeah, I think I know where some of those corpses in the water came from.

Speaker 1 31:06

Big Z bugsy is gonna be.

Speaker 2 31:08

Yeah, madison, throw him in the window.

Speaker 1 31:10

Maybe it's my from living in Madison. Madison, the highways go or they go down around. The city, yeah, and then through the city, there are thoroughfares Washington East, washington West, Washington. There's these great streets. They're beautiful, but they're not highways, okay, but they're beautiful streets to stop light.

Speaker 2 31:27

Which means that people that are trying to drive through drive past, drive around it and don't have to worry about it and the people who are there to do stuff have beautiful roads. Yeah, and they're not like, himed up by the traffic flow of just people getting through right and there's no highways.

Speaker 2 31:41

So because the idea was they were like, yeah, people will be driving on a highway through your town and then see a place and go, oh, I need to pull over and buy some furniture, and then that's the promise. And then the reality is like oh yeah, that's not how. No, it's not how shopping work.

Speaker 1 31:54

Highways just brings traffic, not you should think of the highways as like big scar tissue. Think of highways is like scar tissue, Okay, and the organism that is a city. Then when you build a big two-lane or four you know two-lane or four-lane highway that's raised or that is locked off with walls right cuts right through your city. You should think of that like a gash, like just this horrible Gash through your city. It separates everything. People can't enjoy that land. It doesn't have any places in it. It's just this dead zone of like toxic waste of fast travel.

Speaker 2 32:32

That's not.

Speaker 1 32:32

Human beings can't be in and it's noisy and it's smelly and it's just okay horrible. So, you should just tear it up and get rid of it and just get rid of highways in your city. If we can make teleportation happen, okay, sign me up cars are gonna be wait, is this like a prestige teleportation, where you die every time?

Speaker 2 32:51

No spoiler for the press, no, but he didn't have to die. Who's just duplicating himself anyway?

Speaker 1 32:57

but he oh, you mean he could have just had multiples of himself?

Speaker 2 33:01

Yeah, it could have just been like multiple. Why did he kill himself? What didn't want? Multiple, yeah, he didn't, but doesn't he want to live.

Speaker 1 33:08

He is the one.

Speaker 2 33:10

All right, prestige sidebar, he, he was obsessed with the spotlight right that whole movie was about. I can't share the spotlight or the glory with anyone else and he thought the guys would have he created a system where he would have to essentially share the spotlight with another him and he's like, can't be doing that, we've got to kill somebody. But it wasn't he killing himself, he was killing the new him, was killing the old him every time and he was like I hope this was okay, but yeah, he can't.

Speaker 1 33:35

It would be a different guy is the best.

Speaker 2 33:39

But yeah, it's, that's my take on it is. It's a guy who can't share the spotlight. That was the whole thing why him, him and Bale were Rivals because they're like we can't share the spotlight.

Speaker 1 33:48

I would have figured out a. I would have figured out like a profit sharing sort of scheme, because you're doing business with yourself. So if I were an 18, would simply have you ever thought about what you'd really do if you really had like another version of yourself, like you could Like a multiplicity situation?

Speaker 2 34:04

like a twin, like a bit, you just like a clone.

Speaker 1 34:07

Yeah, yeah well the.

Speaker 2 34:09

The dream is that you're like I'll have my clone do all the bad work and then also back. They're not like. Why would I agree? Yeah?

Speaker 1 34:15

so how would you actually? That the question? So that's the question how would you actually live? Because it would be great, because it would be another person who shared my same goals. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 34:24

Yeah, so we could work together, going to eat, going out to eat, picking movies to watch on TV All very simple because you have the exact same taste you'd be like. Do you want to eat it?

Speaker 1 34:34

Yes, I do, exactly yeah but also like, if you're gonna do a project like I do a lot of startups or a podcast, you know they'd be like great, like they come up with solutions and I come up with solutions, there'd be twice as many solutions.

Speaker 2 34:46

You're writing a novel. You just stop in the middle of your paragraph, go to sleep. You're double picks up. Yeah, cuz they care about the novel big big, big.

Speaker 1 34:53

They're like yes, this novel really ought to be written. Yeah, so you'd have this like Amplification of all you think about the clone is the, the, the fantasy of the clone.

Speaker 2 35:03

The thing is that it's only a clone from that Initial second, you know I mean, and then everything after that. You're diverging and you're two different people and so a year from now you might have different tastes because you're different people and you've had different experiences and yeah at two years from now, you might be wildly different, and you might also the clone to work with your clone Wouldn't have the same obligations.

Speaker 1 35:24

I have right.

Speaker 2 35:25

The clone wouldn't have my mortgage or my marriage or my but the clone would still have the same desires you have, which is a place to live and a companionship, and but I mean that's how I would diverge, because they would be like they would be.

Speaker 1 35:37

They would be like a single, non tied down version of me. I'd probably do very. My life would be very different.

Speaker 2 35:43

But you. You became a non single version of you, and the clone would probably have those same urges and then do that same thing.

Speaker 1 35:50

It would just actually they would be really traumatizing for the clone.

Speaker 2 35:54

I mean, if they had their memories exactly like mine up to the moment, then it'd be really traumatized if they were just a genetic how traumatizing with this, but you clone yourself and your significant other clones themselves, so you can be like yeah, now we'll have a perfect you guys, we made you two to have a perfect other yeah, and they're just like I'm not feeling it like Wait what they're like yeah, I just there's no spark here.

Speaker 2 36:15

I don't understand. You're like wait what? Like it just feels fake. You're like you start reexamining your own.

Speaker 1 36:21

Wait, there's a clone, no more. Yeah, we do cloned with that. If you cloned your, your spouse and you, and they had all their same memories up to the moment.

Speaker 2 36:30

Right, they'd be in love with each other. That's the hope, right? Well, they would be like they would be. They'd be like a person wouldn't go, like they probably go off into the sunset. I mean, I don't know if they definitely stay in San Francisco, but you also have to fact, probably move to Germany after the psyche Shearing like the psyche splitting knowledge of. By the way, you're a clone. I just made you in a test tube, like yesterday but you'd have the same memories.

Speaker 2 36:50

Yeah, but you'd have to deal with the fact that you're not. Real or whatever like you'd be like I didn't actually experience that 16th birthday. That was a memory.

Speaker 1 37:00

Okay, I'm gonna blow okay, I'm gonna blow your mind, scott, do it. The science of memory has demonstrated Okay, almost all of our memories are false. They're not completely false, but we've. We've, not me now.

Speaker 2 37:12

But when I was a Navy seal and I rescued all those people, I remember that too, scott.

Speaker 1 37:17

Every time we handle a memory, it ships. Yeah and so all the memories, especially our oldest memories, are usually not actually true, which means you aren't real.

Speaker 2 37:28

Well, it's a thing we're right.

Speaker 1 37:29

You remember your last memory, you remember your retelling of the memory but so, like it's a game of telephone You're playing in your mind over years or whatever, which means that's almost like the clown kind of, except for they would have no parents, because the parents would know that I had a clone. And then they'd be like, oh my god, you're just the clone of my son, like, what obligations do I have, do you?

Speaker 2 37:52

none four months after they are cloned.

Speaker 1 37:54

He said, did not have parents.

Speaker 2 37:55

They would be a life of crime because they've gotten him up for identity theft multiple times and then they're just like.

Speaker 1 38:02

I guess I'm a criminal now turning to a life of crime, I guess if you're starting to rob.

Speaker 2 38:08

Oh, if I was a clone, I would definitely rob banks and help someone else pay. You should definitely if you clone someone.

Speaker 1 38:12

I think I've cloned me.

Speaker 2 38:14

I'm gonna rob a bank, for sure, and then take off my mask right for this security camera and real me is going to jail while I get the money. Is that really how you would treat yourself? I don't know, I'm not. I'm not a clone?

Speaker 1 38:25

we'll have to find out. I think, I think ethically, if you're gonna clone someone and they were really, had their memories. It would be so traumatizing for them to have everything ripped away from them, because that would be their experience. Their experience was to wake up and realize that they didn't have their job, they didn't have their spouse because they wouldn't, because that would also it's still be mine, not there legally right.

Speaker 2 38:46

So so I think I think the least would they be able to sue you for half of all your god. It's like a tough. Yeah, maybe they're like you made me your.

Speaker 1 38:53

Maybe that it would be the best thing to do is, if you make a clone, then they have a legal right to 50% of your property, just like a divorce. That would be the only way to make it safe for them, for their, their livelihood well, they need their, their, I mean.

Speaker 2 39:05

The argument would be I've grown a, I'm accustomed to a certain standard of living which is exactly your standard of living.

Speaker 1 39:10

Yes, and therefore 50% therefore required yes, would you also?

Speaker 2 39:16

would you have to make twice as much food? Would it all dinner every time? Would it also play out? But they take after nope, they'd have to.

Speaker 1 39:23

Okay, they have to live with you. Now, what about? What about would you? Would it be ethically demanded that you also clone their, your spouse, for them, so that they could enter this world where everything was taken away from them? But that's 50% of the wealth of their cloner and their spouse would be there a clone of their spouse, which who they would love presumably got together with your significant other because you're like.

Speaker 2 39:46

I found you out in the world and I liked you and we decided to like partner up together and if someone was like you're created and they're created, now you two are together, that's it. You'd be like maybe that's not the same oh so you'd say.

Speaker 1 40:00

You'd say I might not be a story, is I'm a clone? She's a clone. Well then, really like there's no reason for us to be fun is, even though our memories are the same as yours, we remember courting each other, meeting each other but we know that all those memories are the fun.

Speaker 2 40:15

Is flirting, right? Not that, not the deep relation, like that.

Speaker 1 40:19

Well, I'm gonna sound bad, but like the fun is, like that discovery phase is so important to falling in love with so well, you'd have memories and if they were just memories of that, but it wouldn't, but you would know that that wasn't true, like you'd know that that didn't happen exactly.

Speaker 2 40:34

So the question is I think definitely, I think definitely we figure well for figuring out the ethical demands for cloning. Okay, of course, hypothetical what are we supposed to talk about? We're just talking about tearing down how, yeah, yeah, so the ethical demands of clothing, yes, I like your solution, though, which is, you know, you have to give 50% of your stuff to your clone.

Speaker 1 40:53

I think that's exactly right. You would have to do that.

Speaker 2 40:54

It's like they say you have to be responsible. Have safe sex so that you don't have like children that you're then obligated to financially. You have to like practice safe cloning you're like better be sure, because if you make 17 of you right now, whoa, I hope you make a lot of money, because they don't have jobs, they're all gonna have won the 17th of your money, or would it be 50, 50, 50, like you'd cut in?

Martial Arts and Mark Zuckerberg Discussion

Speaker 2 41:16

half. Every time it's frack, yeah, yeah, so it's getting down. So I want to be like number 17. They're like you get two nickels. Sorry about sorry. Here's two nickels in a stick of gum. You're like what, why?

Speaker 1 41:28

they're like good luck, man go out the world number 17 if you. I didn't tell you that, but your number 17. Sorry, I like that, though that would be an ethical thing. Definitely there'd be limits.

Speaker 2 41:38

You'd have to say you can't have more than four clones that's the limit, five or something, enough to fit in a car. Well, I guess, if you say it takes 50% of your wealth.

Speaker 1 41:46

People are gonna stop having clones because they're gonna be like I don't want to get rid of 50% of my stuff at the richest people who are gonna become single, or the absolute poorest people who have nothing.

Speaker 2 41:54

An army of marks on the back, just like 50 like 2000 just like we are freaking a club, a club and then you have to. You have to identify who the most like the last Mark Zuckerberg is, because they get the smallest piece of the pie he acts like a clone already.

Speaker 1 42:11

Maybe he's already doing this is already happening?

Speaker 2 42:13

I think so okay look at him. He's got a really weird haircut. I'll go. I have a poster of Mark Zuckerberg in my room. I'll just go. Look at. That's creepier than Mark Zuckerberg himself. I can't believe you have wake up every morning.

Speaker 1 42:25

I go hello Mark, I get on with my day.

Speaker 2 42:28

Mr Zuckerberg good to see you reporting for duty, mr Zuckerberg someday I will join your clone army.

Speaker 1 42:37

If you matted down your hair, you could kind of do like his haircut. How you have to. Really mad, I think he has.

Speaker 2 42:42

I think of him as curly hair, is that not?

Speaker 1 42:45

I have not got a. He's got a weird. I hear some brown crown.

Speaker 2 42:48

I just rewatched the social network, and so my actual version of Mark Zuckerberg is the Jesse Eisenberg movie version. Like I can't, it's overwritten my current.

Speaker 1 42:58

I haven't seen Mark lately, so he looks very reptilian, he acts reptilian, he's a reptile, mark's getting into jujitsu Brazilian jujitsu which is cool.

Speaker 2 43:06

I think that's a healthy thing for everyone, for their ego and everyone else, so I'm happy to see that you don't think people go easy on him. I think there will probably be some people to go easy on you, but eventually you're like yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 43:18

It's a safe martial art, though, right, pretty safe. Yeah, you're like I have to.

Speaker 2 43:21

I still have to tap out when I yeah get in trouble or whatever.

Speaker 1 43:24

I mean as long as it's safe. I don't think you probably want to do something.

Speaker 2 43:26

Work I don't think he wants to be taken like concussion.

Speaker 1 43:30

Concussive blows to the head which is why jujitsu is kind of nice, for I think you just these like tech workers, because it's like you're not you're not sustaining a lot of brain injury. Here there's no CTE happening also they get to like hug yeah, it's also.

Speaker 2 43:43

I mean, it is like playing. I like how you just went over that body chest, yeah you get you. I mean, you want to get real. I think touch is a big thing, and you there's a monkey part of our genes like a lot of monkey stuff where, like, wrestling around with other beings is super satisfying gratifying, you know yeah in both the romantic way, but also the non-romantic, playful when we're there. No, I'm just saying there's like an urges where you're like this is satisfying you know grapple.

Speaker 1 44:13

Yeah, yeah, just grabbing around, I didn't have.

Speaker 2 44:15

I didn't grow up with brothers horse, horse. You grew up with three brothers. Three brothers did you all like wrestle around? Some like my sister and I didn't wrestle, that wasn't a thing we did yeah, but did taboos there sometimes with brothers. It seems like it's not a fun wrestling, it's more of like a bully yeah, the big one rug burns, yeah, yeah, which is not what you would look for, but you with your friends like wrestling around.

Speaker 1 44:37

Yeah, friends, we would horse play all the time or we'd have like basement wrestling, almost like parties fun. Yeah, it was really fun really fun. Yeah, except for the guys who were actual wrestlers.

Speaker 2 44:47

They would just destroy it was not fair, that is all to say. I think that even someone who might be a little bit less than well adjusted like Mark. Zuckerberg, I think jujitsu is a great thing for your overall like mental and physical wonder he'll be an interesting.

Speaker 1 45:03

He'll be an interesting case. Cuz like will he? Will he humanize, will he become like more of a human being, or will he just stay reptile?

Speaker 2 45:11

that you can see some like I mean I mean these circles on like Facebook or Twitter or whatever. So I see the news when, like actors pick up jujitsu and they're like Keanu Reeves, been traded jujitsu. And then I watch the most recent John Wick movie and I'm like yeah, man, he's moving better. That's cool is jujitsu is stronger, it's impressive or whatever.

Speaker 1 45:29

That's awesome yeah, yeah, I was thinking I don't know if I wanted to jujitsu, but I think would be great, like if I ever have a kid who's looking for a martial art, I'll be like it's jujitsu it is.

Speaker 2 45:40

I mean I'm biased, but I think it's highly useful and incredibly fun like it's just the fun part of it. Ikeido seems also useful, but less fun, like they're more serious, right they're serious, but it's fun.

Speaker 1 45:53

Okay, you know you bow a lot, sorry Japanese. Yeah, I don't have to bow that much oh yeah, you bow a lot in. Ikeido. I think Ikeido is good because it's that that bowing part is good, because it teaches the child or the young person like respect, because otherwise it's like our culture is just kind of like well, whatever, easy come, easy go yeah kind of say whatever to anyone, right, but Ikeido it's like no, you treat the teacher on a chin pecking major respect, major respect.

Speaker 1 46:19

And the older students you also treat them major respect, of course, because they are your senpai it's just the culture yeah, I mean they're just people, but there's just a culture. It's a cool culture is Brazilian.

Speaker 2 46:31

Jujitsu doesn't have that. No, there's definitely like I mean your sensei bow. No, there's not. I guess some places might do that, but you know, it's pretty much more casual like a wrestling club hang out like hey, okay, yeah, it's cool but you take lessons.

Speaker 1 46:43

I mean, how do you learn?

Speaker 2 46:43

take, lessons, take classes, learn techniques, practice them, do tournaments and stuff but there's some respect for the teacher. Oh, totally yeah, also because they could strangle you at any point.

Speaker 1 46:55

If you're like, you're like haha, who's this jerk? Why you're like? Why don't you give?

Speaker 2 46:59

me five minutes.

Speaker 1 46:59

Here you're like I have to say yes, okay, and then it's like yeah, yeah, if all you do is, you see, if all you do is go to like maths class, your math teacher can't choke you out to show you that you?

Speaker 2 47:12

don't just do like a really impressive equation at you and you're like that doesn't do anything.

Speaker 1 47:16

Yeah, cuz of the monkey, because of the monkey jeans.

Speaker 2 47:18

The thing in Aikido that always drew me to it was the Hakama, the big black pants those are you get to wear on top of your other pants and they like how these flowing like. I mean they're like Jinko jeans, but they're the cool martial art versions of these leaps or whatever you know.

Speaker 1 47:34

Yeah, I was like those are cool, but you have to be like you.

Speaker 2 47:38

Like you say, you have to climb the ladder a little bit. You don't get to like jump into the hot day one.

Speaker 1 47:42

Yeah, you were just like a regular. Yeah, till you're something. Yeah, I kido is cool. I. There's always the debate of like is I kido really a functional martial art? And I saw a guy the other day saying on YouTube who's like an Aikido master and he was like. He was like. The reason why I kido does not seem like a functional martial art is because it's built to work in an unfair fight. But all structured martial art, competition is all fair fights. That he said. So if you go up against an Aikido master in a fair fight, yeah, you probably a striking martial art like Muay Thai or grappling like Brazilian Jutsu will win. But if you go up against that same Aikido master in the street in a war like in the street where there's no you get him and his 10 friends.

Speaker 2 48:35

Well, or?

Speaker 1 48:35

just when there's no rules where he can kick you in the knee cap, or he can kick you in the groin, or he can punch you in the throat or he can gouge your eyes out the Krav Maga type.

Speaker 2 48:43

Yeah, he says, the Aikido master will win the like-.

Speaker 1 48:46

Because the Aikido master has it built in to be able to do that I don't know about that and I was like, huh, that's an interesting point, I've never-.

Speaker 2 48:54

Sometimes I mean there's some logic to that. But there's also a part of me that goes where the people are like. They're like, oh well, that's good to the rules. Like if there was rules I would bite you and you'd be in trouble.

Speaker 1 49:05

I'm like bro, you think that monster They'd be biting?

Speaker 2 49:07

too, you think that monster who knows how to wrestle really well wouldn't-.

Speaker 1 49:10

Also go crazy, like as soon as you go.

Speaker 2 49:11

We're biting on the table. They go great. Well, now I'm gonna smash you and bite you. Idiot, what do you think? Like you think but they're trained, they're like well To bite. You're not allowed to do eye gouges and I'm like you think, the second you reach for some killer's eye, they're not gonna go. Oh, we're playing eyes. Now, cool, I'm gonna smush your eyes out in two seconds, dude, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 49:30

I'm just not doing that Like two freaking creamers?

Speaker 2 49:33

Yes, it's not like I don't know how to kick someone in the nuts. It's that I could also do that too.

Speaker 1 49:40

Yeah, you're right, but yeah, no, there is-. It was an interesting argument.

Speaker 2 49:44

No, I understand, and there's some really useful stuff with eye keto as well. I'm not downing it at all, I'm just, it's just really-.

Speaker 1 49:51

Have you ever taken a Krav Maga?

Speaker 2 49:52

class. I've not taken Krav Maga. I've done eye keto. I did a little bit in college. I did like a college class version of it at KU which is whatever, but I've not done Krav Maga or any of those things. I just like Jujutsu too much. I don't wanna get hurt.

Speaker 1 50:07

I don't like striking cause. I don't like getting punched. I did like three or four classes of Krav Maga and it was awesome.

Speaker 2 50:13

Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 50:15

It's absolutely about winning any fight. You're in.

Speaker 2 50:19

That's the whole point. They're like here you rake the dude's face with your nails and then you kick him in the door.

Speaker 1 50:24

But they also work on the whole like social engineering of a fight. So they're like if someone starts to fight, you first just hammer them as hard as you can, like punching, and then raise your hands up like this and say I don't wanna fight, I don't wanna fight.

Speaker 2 50:42

I don't wanna fight. That's what they trained you to do it.

Speaker 1 50:45

They trained you to win the fight, and part of winning the fight was to like get out of the fight and have everyone around you blame them. You're like blame your opponent for the fight. Oh yeah, this is where the high level version of that.

Speaker 2 51:02

I grab my opponent's hands right and then I start hitting him with his own fists and I go why are you hitting?

Speaker 1 51:09

yourself. Stop hitting yourself.

Speaker 2 51:10

That's the major Krav Maga move right there, that's the major, like high level Krav Maga, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to go through a lot of classes.

Speaker 1 51:16

That's really high level, yeah.

Speaker 2 51:18

Stop hitting yourself. This is to stop hitting yourself Very serious.

Speaker 1 51:23

Okay, so we talked about highways.

Speaker 2 51:25

We got a little bit side tracked. Got a little side tracked into martial arts. That's okay, that's what. It's what we do.

Speaker 1 51:30

It's fun. So yeah, if you guys want a solution for climate change, tear down your highways.

Speaker 2 51:35

Move, and if you train martial arts you can fight anyone. Who's gonna stop you from tearing down the highways? We will tear down these highways. No one can stop us and then you clone yourself with your new martial arts skills. We're basically giving people a recipe for a science army right here.

Speaker 1 51:50

That'd be a good movie Science army Climate climate, climate Climate science army Climate clones.

Speaker 2 51:57

We could. With a name like that, we'll draw in thousands of dollars, Thousands.

Speaker 1 52:03

All that budget will be in the thousands.

Speaker 2 52:06

We shall get dozens of audience members.

Speaker 1 52:09

So many dozens, so many dozens.

Speaker 2 52:13

Right on yeah.

Speaker 1 52:15

Well, thanks, scott, for you know.

Speaker 2 52:17

Thanks for bringing another one.

Speaker 1 52:19

This is great. I think it's good you know the next time you're on a highway not all highways, but we're on a highway. When you're in an urban highway, just look around and be like could this be destroyed Does? This really need to be here, or is this just like destroying this part of the city, like literally renting this part of the city apart?

Speaker 2 52:36

I'll tell you, there's some parts in the on both sides of the San Francisco Bay Bridge where it is just a mess of noodle, like spaghetti highways. That is a nightmare to get through every time. I would not mind if it wasn't there Although I probably would, because it would make some other inconvenience, but in my head I mean having a big exchange like that if it's outside of the city to me makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 52:58

If you're like outside of Kansas City and you need a big eight-way exchange so that like three or four major highways.

Speaker 2 53:04

There's a few spots in the middle of San Francisco or whatever.

Speaker 1 53:06

Yeah, just take them out, Build some Hayes Valley. Hayes Valley for people who don't know is like I don't even know Beautiful art. In the middle of a beautiful playground park where all these people are just like chilling, there's an outdoor gym where people are weightlifting doing crossfit. In the middle of the city there's a.

Speaker 2 53:26

La Boulangerie, there's a.

Speaker 1 53:28

La Boulangerie.

Speaker 2 53:30

And there's like a La Boulangerie, it's like a cafe, it's like a French cafe. Starbucks bought the. Is that a word? One word La Boulangerie. Oh jeez, I didn't do that. Okay, la Boulangerie I should have. Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 53:44

And there's like a bunch of other little cafes and there's the thing and there's like shops and it's like amazing, there's a Warby Parker location there's. It's beautiful and wonderful. There there's a Greek place and there's pizza place.

Speaker 2 53:56

Amazing stuff. Hold on. Is that a fried chicken place? Is that a badge from the San Francisco tourism board peeking at it?

Speaker 1 54:02

Hays Valley is great and it used to be Skid Row. Why? Because there was a big fricking highway there, and now, now that it's gone, people can't even imagine. If you said, let's tear this all down and build a highway, people would look at you like you are crazy.

Speaker 2 54:16

They'd say but there's a La Boulangerie, here, there's a La Boulangerie. What about the La?

Speaker 1 54:21

Boulangerie that's what they'd say and that's what people need to realize is, until you do it, it seems insane, and then, when you do it, it's like the best thing in the world, it's like the most obvious thing in the world, of course you should do it.

Speaker 2 54:33

You should have done it 20 years ago. That's what I mean. We're humans where you always fight change and then it happens. We're like why wasn't the sooner?

Speaker 1 54:40

Fight change. I don't think they fight change. I think people fight what Loss. This is what my, my cousin did a master's degree in.

Speaker 2 54:49

I see.

Speaker 1 54:50

In nonprofit management and she found out in that that people we think people fight change, but actually people fight loss. So as long as you make them understand they're not losing anything or they're going to gain more than they lose people won't go for it OK. There we go. That's what we talked about kind of concretizing when we did the episode on concretizing climate change.

Speaker 2 55:12

Yeah, shift the narrative, shift it to a gain Right and say the losses will be.

Speaker 1 55:18

You'll lose the bad stuff. You'll lose traffic parking, you'll lose being pissed off in your car and you'll gain wind in your hair biking in the protected bike lane through a tree line street full of your friends and family who live in an affordable, beautiful neighborhood, small close together. Close together. Yeah, neighborhood schools Close. Nearby grocery store. Walk to the cafe. Beautiful, I like it. Ideal, ok, wonderful Madison.

Speaker 2 55:52

We're trying to Madisonize the world.

Speaker 1 55:54

Madison could be even better than it.

Speaker 2 55:56

I want to brusselize. Are you talking bad about Madison? I want to brusselize the world. Can we brusselize? Brusselize the world? Yeah, ok, can we do a brusselizer test? Brusselize yeah, I was going right there.

Speaker 1 56:06

I was half a second behind you, kansas City, blown to this tube. What is this officer?

Speaker 2 56:12

It's a brusselizer. You just blew a 0.08,. Bro. You need to be up at a, please, a 0.96. We need you to be 96% brussels.

Speaker 1 56:20

You got to get some more bike lanes and some more dense, beautiful neighborhoods. Because you are blowing too low on this brusselizer test and if we make a ton of brussels.

Speaker 2 56:29

We're going to get a ton more Jean-Claude Van Damme's, because he is a product of brussels, right, ok? So we make more brussels, we make more Van Damme's. Now we're talking real gains here. Talk about clones. We clone that guy. Everyone's going to get kicked in the face, which is great. Sign me up, perfect.

Speaker 1 56:49

All right, ok, ok, enough of this brussel pun.

Speaker 2 56:54

Thanks for being here.

Speaker 1 56:55

Thanks everybody.

Speaker 2 56:56

Thanks for listening. We'll catch you again next time. Do all the things the rates, reviews, the watches, the subscriptions. Tell your friends. Tell your friends, get our NPS score up. Yep, keep it. Climaty, keep it. All right Bye.

Speaker 1 57:10

Bye. Oh, are you guys recording something? What?

Speaker 2 57:52

are all these? That's with the microphones. I just wonder. All these wires?