Speaker 1 0:04

Adam, do you think we need a celebrity to endorse our show?

Speaker 2 0:08

Celebrities from Multiverse.

Speaker 1 0:10

Well, just like you know, have a get, a get a perfect celebrity to match our sure, our show.

Speaker 2 0:16

What are you thinking?

Speaker 1 0:18

Well, our two names together Give us a couple of options. I'm Scott, you're a high. Everybody the solutions with Multiverse. I'm Scott Moppen, adam Brous. Right, so I'm Scott and you're Adam. So Scott Adams is one celebrity Do you know who this person is?

Speaker 2 0:34

No.

Speaker 1 0:36

This is he's famous for originally making a little cartoon called Dilbert. Oh, he just got canceled.

Speaker 2 0:43

Big time yes. He's more famous recently for being wild on the internet and having. Why would we want? This is the worst. I don't think he's good. We're playing the game Worst solutions game or the worst suggestions game.

Speaker 1 0:55

We'll see what I'm doing here is I'm priming you because I'm going to flip it Okay flip our names Adam Scott's. Adam Scott from is an actor. He was on Parks and Rec. I was just in Madam Web. He does podcasts. I know him from a lot of different comedy bang bang podcast.

Speaker 2 1:11

Oh, Adam Scott from coming bang bang. Is that the main guy who does coming bang?

Speaker 1 1:14

No, that's Scott Ockerman, but another, adam Scott, does side projects with him. Like are you talking, you two to me, and rim like great whatever.

Speaker 2 1:24

Let's get them.

Speaker 1 1:25

Okay, good.

Speaker 2 1:26

All right, I wanted your permission. I don't want your permission. Go for it, okay cool.

Speaker 1 1:31

I'll dial up Adam Scott and say look, my name's Scott. My co-host is named Adam.

Speaker 2 1:36

We need you to endorse our show or come on. At the very least, just come on.

Speaker 1 1:41

Right, yeah, he's on a show called Severance actually that was just on Apple TV, isn't that the?

Speaker 2 1:46

that's the main guy from coming bang bang.

Speaker 1 1:48

It's really good. That is him. No, Scott Ockerman is the main guy at comedy bang bang, I got confused, but he's on there. He's on there a bunch Adam Scott's on there, yeah, I really like Severance is good.

Speaker 2 1:59

I loved him on Parks and Rec. I loved him on Severance.

Speaker 1 2:01

He was in an old movie called Torque which was basically Fast and Furious with motorcycles. It did not blow up like Fast and Furious, but I remember him on that when I was in Japan seeing him there. Yeah, he's fun.

Speaker 2 2:12

Okay, I'll go Okay.

Speaker 1 2:13

I'll put that in the Okay, we'll put that on the to do list, we'll have Adam Scott We'll see who will as soon as I can get him.

Speaker 2 2:26

All right, well, we just we already introduced the podcast, but just so everyone knows, you know, we always talk about new solutions every week. That's the concept, that's the, that's the core. That's the core. Yeah, that's funny that you said that.

Speaker 1 2:41

What Wait? Why is that funny? Oh, because I'm a comedy guy. Well, anything I say is funny.

Speaker 2 2:46

Well, it's debating two solutions to do, but then you just said, like the word, that is one of them and I was going to do the other one. Okay, so now you said the actual ideas name.

Speaker 1 3:00

No, you just said the ideas name. Wait what I'm joking.

Speaker 2 3:05

Okay, switch gears audible. We're going to do that one instead of the other one. We'll do the other one next week.

Speaker 1 3:12

Okay, so stay tuned.

Speaker 2 3:13

Have you seen this new? Okay, should I say the solution? Sure, okay, the solution is Apple. What the company Apple? Okay, instead of launching the Vision Pro, which is a bunch of crap, they should launch small modular nuclear reactors and call it Apple core.

Speaker 1 3:33

That was the idea that I.

Speaker 2 3:35

You just said that, what that was weird. Did I like queue you up somehow to say it? No, whoa, so wait, that's the idea.

Speaker 1 3:44

Apple core. I just said that, Okay, that's really wild. But Back up to the weird part where you're saying small, what Small modular reactors.

Speaker 2 3:54

Yeah, they're called SMR small modular reactors, Like the thing in Iron Man's chest. Yeah, but bigger than that they're the size of Well. The common size is like a two-story building, but a tube. They kind of look like Well, you can build them. All different form factors, A two-story tall tube. It's like a two-story.

Speaker 1 4:11

Yeah, it's like a With nuclear reactor stuff inside.

Speaker 2 4:14

Well, think of a normal reactor.

Speaker 1 4:16

This is huge like Simpsons. I think of a normal reactor all the time.

Speaker 2 4:20

Bro, I'm always thinking about normal reactors you don't have to tell me the classic traditional reactor is 50 stories tall. Think of Homer Simpson where he worked the big, huge.

Speaker 1 4:31

The funnel, funnel, yeah, chernobyl thing, exactly so.

Speaker 2 4:35

The classic reactor is ginormous and it's extremely expensive, and this is what everybody says oh my God, nuclear is so expensive. So even though there's all these problems with nuclear, but the worm hath turned on nuclear in public opinion.

Speaker 1 4:52

The worm hath turned. The worm hath turned Is that a phrase to you.

Speaker 2 4:55

Yeah, there's a phrase Actually I think it's the worm doth turn. Where is it from? It's just a phrase in English. It means like there's been a sea change. It means there's been a reversal, the tables have turned.

Speaker 1 5:08

The worm hath turned you wake up. Good morning Adam, good morning Herman. Maybe it is hath turned.

Speaker 2 5:15

Maybe it's the worm hath turned.

Speaker 1 5:16

Anyways, the point is there's been a reversal, so a lot of people environmentalists were like first. Environmentalists were against nuclear from the 60s and 70s.

Speaker 2 5:27

And then even in the 2000s, people like kind of progressives, were kind of against Environmentalists, were kind of against nuclear. But now a bunch of really smart environmentalists are actually like, no, we definitely do need to do nuclear and it was a big mistake to slow down and stop nuclear at all. We should have been doing it this whole time because people are starting to weigh risks against each other and the risk of climate change is at this point entirely eminent. We are already hurtling towards very bad scenarios and I know there's like optimists out there who are like, oh, but the government policies on the books will limit heating to two degrees centigrade. It's like.

Speaker 2 6:09

It's like when have you believed governments to like do things on the timelines? They say they're gonna do Like everything's quadrupled the budget in 10 times the length, so yeah, so I think we're hurtling towards this negative outcome. So people are starting to realize, oh, the long-term risk of like managing nuclear waste and building reactors that are kind of expensive is way smaller than the. They force certain near-term risks of the oils, the hyperstorms and millions of refugees from moving out of drought.

Speaker 1 6:41

Can we just not build them near like places where?

Speaker 2 6:44

tidal waves. So this is the cool thing. Yeah, don't build them by the ocean. But here's the cool thing these small modular reactors are like the future and people are already doing this, and this is how Apple builds products.

Speaker 1 6:56

People are doing their own small modular nuclear reactors. I have two in my basement, shut up.

Speaker 2 7:02

Is that why Iron man? Is that why my hair stands up right in my chest?

Speaker 1 7:06

Put it into my chest already. There's a vague hum everywhere.

Speaker 2 7:09

when I get near your house, it's delicious, keeps everything nice and toasty, nice and warm. No, so let me explain how Apple builds products. Okay, All right, so Apple innovating Wait I know this answer.

Speaker 1 7:20

They have a factory with nets around it because it makes people miserable, oh my God. And then they work them 26 hours a day building phones. Those are probably.

Speaker 2 7:28

Apple's suppliers.

Speaker 1 7:29

Oh, okay, those are Apple. Maybe it is Apple.

Speaker 2 7:31

I don't know, but here's how Apple builds products. They do not. So people think Apple's innovative and they are sort of innovative, but they're not actually like breakthrough innovative. What they do is they find a market, they wait until that market develops and a bunch of people spend a ton of money developing that market, developing consumer awareness for that product, developing the technology for that product, and then Apple comes out late in that competitive process with their take on that thing inside of their vertical integration system.

Speaker 1 8:06

I thought you were gonna say they buy over the company.

Speaker 2 8:09

No, they just do Well, they do make small acquisitions around in the space.

Speaker 1 8:12

But a lot of times they'll just snake up, but then they make their own product.

Speaker 2 8:15

So, like Bluetooth headphones, there were, remember, those like ugly plastic, like gray, like Bluetooth headphone, things that people would have.

Speaker 1 8:24

No.

Speaker 2 8:25

They were like on their. They were on their face and they looked like little torpedoes and they'd go on their ear.

Speaker 1 8:30

It was like a Bluetooth headphone. Okay, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 8:34

Yeah, so that was already there. Yeah, so that was already there. That was a developing market. And then Apple came out with the AirPods and it just Destroyed it, it just obliterated it because the AirPods you just opened the little opening case and it synced with your phone instantly. They pop in, they pop out, they charge, they got a battery, they got a thing it's like perfectly in their ecosystem and just disrupts that growing market.

Speaker 1 9:00

I've never used AirPods. I've never had an iPhone. Do you? Are they that much better?

Speaker 2 9:06

Like, do you?

Speaker 1 9:06

are they really good? They're amazing Cause I mean I have had I have cordless earphones and I think they're great.

Speaker 2 9:11

They're fine. Yeah, apple headphones are just fantastic, okay, and then a lot of the ones you see now Is that why they dominated, though?

Speaker 1 9:17

Because they build out like not just come out with the same thing, but come out with a high quality, like version that people like High quality version and integrated into their vertical sort of system, and they've already created this brand desire where now they're like well, if I'm choosing between two things, the one's the Apple brand. I'm the Apple brand person, so I buy the Apple brand person and it's not completely like on the Apple brand person, like I'm the Prada brand person.

Speaker 2 9:44

There's a reason. I mean they integrate with your other devices perfectly, like I can sit down on my couch and put in my Bluetooth earphones and press power on my Apple TV and it instantly syncs cause it knows it's in my ears and so it just contextually-.

Speaker 1 10:00

So they know the importance of that frustration point of trying to get something to connect and not connecting over and over and having to turn off your one thing and turn off the other thing and turn off your. Bluetooth and then turn it back on.

Speaker 2 10:13

That doesn't happen at all, and they're like if we can eliminate that.

Speaker 1 10:15

If we can prioritize, this thing connects instantly. People are gonna put it ahead of other things in like far ahead.

Speaker 2 10:24

Okay, this is called, like it just works, sort of the user experience theory.

Speaker 1 10:29

So the nuclear reactor syncs to my phone.

Speaker 2 10:31

Yeah, so you can track all your nuclear reactor energy. So here's my premise the small nuclear reactor market is exactly at that moment when Apple usually swoops in and, like, releases their version.

Speaker 1 10:49

It's that stage of evolution, at that stage, yeah.

Speaker 2 10:52

There's already, like lots of people, lots of little companies and even big companies have put a lot of money in to like make a lot of headway and like develop people's awareness of it and develop, you know, technologies that are breakthrough technologies. You need to make it work and have tried a few things and a few things didn't work and a few things have been working. This is the perfect time for Apple to do it. Now, why should Apple do that? Two reasons. I got a third reason. Well, it's your reason.

Speaker 1 11:20

Well, I mean, I was gonna say climate change. Oh, go ahead, no yeah.

Speaker 2 11:26

Climate change. The climate crisis can't just be something governments do and green companies do. It has to be something that every single corporation does. They have to change everything they're doing and fix the climate change.

Speaker 1 11:39

That's for sure, the bigger the corporation, the more you need to do and the bigger the corporation the more responsibility you have and the more opportunity you have to do it Okay.

Speaker 2 11:47

The other reason is that this actually, I believe, fits into Apple's ecosystem. Not necessarily to their consumers, but it fits into Apple's ecosystem in the sense that the consumers are all charging their phone, it's all electricity, and Apple has these huge data centers that all use a huge amount of electricity and these modular nuclear reactors could be used in those data centers and chip factories and every part of the ecosystem that battery factories, everywhere where you need energy, that Apple could be then selling these Apple Core small nuclear reactors.

Speaker 1 12:23

Yeah, I mean, and the same way that, like, one of the assets of having a Tesla is that you get access to these Tesla superchargers wherever you go. It's like you're free electricity generated by us.

Speaker 2 12:35

You're like all right. I mean, if that was Well, it's not generated by them, but yeah.

Speaker 1 12:38

All right. Well, if that was Apple's, yeah, provided for you. If that was Apple's like thing where they're just like, yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 12:44

Have you ever heard of Project Titan?

Speaker 1 12:46

No.

Apple's Small Modular Nuclear Reactors

Speaker 2 12:47

This is Apple's self-driving car. Oh Okay, apple building a self-driving car Cool. So basically, this To the same playbook. I just told you they're doing it for self-driving cars. Okay, they're waiting for Tesla and Waymo and Cruz and Zooks and to do all the mistakes and develop all this technology and train all these employees, and then Apple will just come out with the Apple car.

Speaker 2 13:11

The project's called Project Titan. Who knows what it'll be called? I car, I car. What a horrible name. Probably Apple. They've gotten rid of the I stuff. They're switching over to Apple X, apple, this.

Speaker 1 13:21

That's true, so maybe they'll call them.

Speaker 2 13:23

Apple or air car.

Speaker 1 13:26

Car plus Car pod.

Speaker 2 13:28

Car pod is pretty good. No, it's not.

Speaker 1 13:30

No, it's not Tim Cook. Do not do that.

Speaker 2 13:33

Do not do it. I know you're listening, don't call it a car pod. But so I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 13:38

The third thing that I was gonna say is that companies, big companies, are trying to buy things and get bigger and, like Disney, sort of has the corner now on media, where Apple's a media company but Disney's like we'll buy Fox.

Speaker 2 13:53

They will buy Apple.

Speaker 1 13:55

If Sony comes up for sale, disney's gonna gobble them up, because Spider-Man or whatever you know like they'll be by Marvel. They buy Star Wars and so Apple's like okay, I guess we'll start buying like nuclear react, like we need to pivot somewhere and this is another space to get big.

Speaker 2 14:10

They did this for streaming. They let Netflix and all these you know, Matt, HBO, all these people start everything, try things, develop a whole sort of flow of how things got created and purchasing agreements worked and how actors thought about the new streaming marketplace and then they launched.

Speaker 1 14:27

Apple TV Plus. Who kicks the door in and comes right into the room? Ted freaking Lasso Exactly Walks in the door and says welcome to Apple everybody. People love Ted Lasso, love it.

Speaker 2 14:38

Yeah, and morning show people love that, and Killers of the Flower Moon just recently was like, really was like really big and important. So it was just like Apple does this. This is their playbook. So the solution today is do this for small modular nuclear reactors. They can do it. They have a supply chain to build things like this. They are okay. Now we gotta get into small modular nuclear reactors.

Speaker 1 15:05

We've gotta get into this, so people learn about this. Okay, so these are the two of us are the people to tell people about nuclear reaction.

Speaker 2 15:10

Yeah, I know, some I've educated myself about this?

Speaker 1 15:13

I do not. I'm not an expert.

Speaker 2 15:15

But I've learned a lot about it. Okay, so, basically, the idea is, the bulk of the lift is If you build a nuclear power plant at any time in history, even current ones that are being built, they're totally bespoke, they're built completely. Yeah, they're Artisanal. Yeah, they're bespoke.

Speaker 1 15:31

They're built by hand. There's not a lot of I imagine something like a steampunk thing with people turning wrenches and gaskets and different things, and it's going.

Speaker 2 15:42

They have like a thing on the side of their top hats.

Speaker 1 15:45

Christopher Lloyd from Back to the Future like something that he would build like some weird that's how nuclear reactors are built. They literally what?

Speaker 2 15:52

They're not standardized. Oh my gosh, they're not standardized. You're freaking me out. No, it's true. Every nuclear actor, they have some standardized things. Like you buy wire, it's all gonna come wire. You buy tubes?

Speaker 1 16:03

you buy tubes, but if you hey, buy some tubes, buy some wire. You need to like move what kind, I don't know. It's gonna be wire Wires, gonna be wire tubes.

Speaker 2 16:11

You buy fans, they're all kind of things. But if you say, okay, what's the constellation of all those things into a nuclear reactor? Every one is very different. They each do it a different way. And then when they do it, they do it at a certain scale, to a certain size, and then all these problems come up and it's like they have to overcome all these problems. It's a huge engineering problem because everything's different in every location and the cooling systems are done a little differently. Oh, we'll do it this way this time, we'll do it that way, we'll do it a little better next time. So every single time it's like different.

Speaker 2 16:40

The small modular nuclear reactors eliminates that. Every single one is just like a self-contained nuclear reactor that's built exactly to spec and then it goes into a system it plugs into like a system that is also to spec. So if you want one, you just order it whatever. If a hospital wants to have endless energy, never it would be off the grid. Like, say, a hospital says we don't ever wanna be on the grid anymore. Like, mayo Clinic doesn't wanna be connected to the American grid, they just wanna be off the grid and be totally protected.

Speaker 1 17:12

They could just and job security If they have constant nuclear radiation going on in their communities then they're gonna have more people coming in.

Speaker 2 17:19

There's no radiation Needing treatment.

Speaker 1 17:20

Oh sorry, what this is a safe? These are extremely safe.

Speaker 2 17:23

These are extremely safe. So what they do is they order it. It comes, it arrives on like a truck and the specifications of where it needs to be plugged in. The people show up, they dig a hole that's two stories deep, like a 25 foot hole. They fill it in with concrete. They build the electricity wiring so that the electricity can come out. Transformers, whatever it needs, everything it needs.

Speaker 2 17:45

And then the nuclear reactor just gets slotted in like a battery, and then it just gets cemented over the top and all that comes out is power, completely self-contained.

Speaker 1 17:54

And it's all has. Is that possible? That's what it is.

Speaker 2 17:56

This is what small modular reactors are. They don't require maintenance, and when they do need maintenance, the company comes and does the maintenance. So there's no like.

Speaker 1 18:08

Well, how are you gonna do maintenance on something that's encased in?

Speaker 2 18:10

like a mile of concrete. Well, I don't know if they encase the top. I can't remember if they really close it off but it's completely self-contained and you don't go in there. Only the people from the company go in and do anything in there. You just order it and pay the money and they show up and they put it in and then now you have free power. It produces megawatts of energy, like huge amounts of electricity, and you can have them in series.

Speaker 1 18:35

So say you want triple that, you just buy three of them and they're in series in one and three things. You think these are safe enough, you'd be okay with one, being like next door to eat.

Speaker 2 18:44

I'd eat breakfast on top one every day. I wouldn't care at all. No, because it's just science. The radiation can't get through. I think they're also encased in the tube. Inside has the actual radioactive uranium fuel rod is inside.

Speaker 2 19:02

And then that is encased in I think water, and then that's encased in the actual tube which has multiple layers and then that's put inside of the cement thing and then that has safety things all around it and every layer has sensors and all of it is sensorized. So everyone knows what the temperature is all the time and it's always it's totally maintained and protected and safe.

Speaker 1 19:21

Now imagine that within one of those tubes there's actually a tiny spider. Okay, Now follow me on this the tiny spider is in the radiation but, it's small enough to get through the crack.

Speaker 2 19:35

Yes, yes, All right. Do you see where I'm going? And I'm sitting there eating a croissant.

Speaker 1 19:39

And you see the spider coming up to you and you just squish it with your, you just stomp on it and smash the spider.

Speaker 2 19:44

I went another direction than I thought.

Speaker 1 19:46

Cause I kill spiders, isn't it?

Speaker 2 19:47

crazy that you said apple core.

Speaker 1 19:49

That is weird. I didn't prime you to do that. That was not set up at all. I didn't set that up. That's weird. Yeah, that's a Creepy Synchrony. That's not the word Synchrony.

Speaker 2 19:58

Synchrony yeah, so apple could do this. They could be saying this is our climate privilege. Also, I'll just point out the energy market in the world. Right Cause apple is a global company. Yes, the energy market in the world is I mean, I don't even know the number, but it's gotta be what 10, a hundred times larger than the personal electronics market, which means, from a business perspective, this is like you know. This is like a big opportunity to make like a lot of money, like more money than they couldn't make as an electronics company.

Speaker 1 20:32

I think so I mean to become a utility. Essentially is the yeah, and they could do it, they could pull it off.

Speaker 2 20:39

They have the global footprint, the manufacturing relationships, supply chain, engineering ability, cash cash on hand and they have 300, they have a couple hundred billion dollars just cash. They could pour that cash into this investment.

Speaker 1 20:51

It would be a worthwhile investment to do, and it lets you pivot your society into electrified society.

Speaker 2 20:56

Electrified society.

Speaker 1 20:57

I mean it's like Tron cities or like. Tokyo, you know like where things are. You can use power to do all sorts of new things you didn't even think of. You can have sections of the yeah. You can start doing maglev trains everywhere. You know what I mean, Like high speed rail.

Speaker 2 21:13

Right, and then you can plug in. You plug into these nuclear reactors, you can plug in green hydrogen. So this is what people are talking about. Green hydrogen is just Sounds dangerous Sounds, toxic bro. A bunch of green hydrogen gas.

Speaker 1 21:26

Now, that's where your superhero comes from. So green hydrogen, so there's blue hydrogen, oh, there's gray, I think it's gray hydrogen, blue hydrogen, green hydrogen and pink and red, and then they all have, and then they turn orange and then they go to get, and then they Voltron, they go to get, they form hydrogen Voltron and they take on the reader of Pulsar.

Speaker 2 21:42

I got you, bro.

Speaker 1 21:43

I understand, yes, you are way ahead of me, the green hydrogen ranger. What are you saying?

Speaker 2 21:49

So you say you don't want to have electric cars because you don't like I don't know, you think the batteries wear out or something. You want to have hydrogen cars. This is not a crazy idea. Actually, Toyota is not investing in lithium ion cars. They're investing way more in hydrogen cars, which sounds crazy to a lot of people, but actually that's what they're doing. That's what the biggest car company in the world is doing.

Speaker 1 22:08

No one talks about that. How do you fill up a car like a hydrogen fuel cell? Do you have?

Speaker 2 22:12

to fill that up.

Speaker 1 22:13

Do you go to a place and put hydrogen in your car? Hydrogen.

Speaker 2 22:16

I think they make the cells and then you just take the cells and replace empty cartridges with new cartridges.

Speaker 1 22:23

You don't like fill it.

Speaker 2 22:24

Do you do that at your house? Or no just stations, or they could be delivered to your house.

Speaker 1 22:29

I just don't know that process. I don't know that.

Speaker 2 22:31

That's one of the things they kind of have to figure out, but mostly they put them in these like tanks.

Speaker 1 22:36

Because I understand plug my car into this thing in the wall Because, like gas, that makes sense. I understand that you would not do that with hydrogen, because the hydrogen would be under high pressure.

Speaker 2 22:46

So you put it in this like tube that's safe, wrapped in aluminum and strong metals and carbon fibers.

Speaker 1 22:54

Like the CO2 cartridges To really protect it.

Speaker 2 22:56

And then it'd be really under pressure. You would not want to like shoot this thing with a gun, that would be bad, but it would be safe otherwise and then you'd put it into your car, you'd slot it in and you'd slot the empty one out and slot it Probably I don't really know exactly but I think that's what they do.

Speaker 1 23:11

Okay, that's not important, but anyways, green hydrogen.

Speaker 2 23:14

So right now most of the hydrogen in the world is gray hydrogen. Which means they burn you know they're burning coal or they're burning natural gas and actually hydrogen is released.

Speaker 1 23:22

Okay.

Speaker 2 23:23

And they gather it and then they're like here's some hydrogen, but that's not carbon neutral. That's bad. You don't want to burn natural gas to get you know, you want to get green hydrogen. So then there's blue hydrogen. Blue hydrogen is where you generate hydrogen from electrolysis. So you put electricity into water and then water unbinds itself, so H2O becomes H2 and O2. So you get your hydrogen out of that that's called blue hydrogen.

Speaker 1 23:49

Does that create ozone? No, is that O2? No, that's O3. But the problem is.

Speaker 2 23:53

Blue hydrogen is when you do that with electricity generated through burning coal, still like burning fossil fuels. Green hydrogen is when you do electrolysis with renewable energy.

Speaker 1 24:04

Okay.

Speaker 2 24:05

And now there's a bunch of subsidies for green hydrogen. And if you're creating hydrogen, you have to now prove to the government that you are producing it in a green way, not with blue or gray way, and there's subsidies for that. So that means there's subsidies for you to take one of these nuclear reactors, or 20 of them in series, yeah, and be a green hydrogen Producer. Even a gas station which was like a hydrogen gas station could have one of these nuclear reactors, or two of them on site right and have its own electrolysis hydrogen generation on site and be producing. So essentially, today you get gas out of the ground in Saudi Arabia yeah.

Speaker 2 24:42

You ship it all the way to America tankers they put they put it on trucks, they ship it to every gas station and they transplanted into the ground. This, you would just that there would just be a station and it would just be producing all the energy that all the cars needed To have high. I like that cool. Yeah, and it's always safe and there's a and there's a recycling aspect here. So when you use a uranium rod, like a fuel rod, when I use one, when you use it, what do you do? With it.

Speaker 1 25:09

Tell me what your day-to-day me, I like to decorate with uranium rods around the house from here there to kind of brighten up a dark space with a warm I do them like in my fingers, like this, and then I rave. Oh yeah, I've seen the videos of you doing that on tiktok. People like you could use glow sticks, you like? No, no, no, you're ready.

Speaker 2 25:35

Well, huh, but uh so when you use up a uranium fuel rod, say it's at the end of its life, guess what percentage of it has been used? It's gonna be low, it's gotta be low Uh. I don't know. 5% no yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 25:51

You've only used 5% and then they're like all right, chuck, it's done.

Speaker 2 25:55

Because because, because all that 5% is scattered throughout the whole thing, okay, and so it's not gonna give off nearly, it's not gonna do what it's supposed to do. Not, it's not sparkly you keep, you keep shooting things at it to try to keep Fissioning. It's a flat and it's not gonna fission anymore because the reaction can't go through. It, can't you know?

Speaker 1 26:12

because the reaction is a chain reaction has to go through it, yeah it stops going through it because it's all right.

Speaker 2 26:17

It keeps hitting dead ones already.

Speaker 1 26:19

Right, a flat soda. Like you pour the soda, it's all nice and sparkly. You drink it, yeah, and then you only drink five and then it goes flat.

Speaker 2 26:26

You're like I just pour anything that takes like a network effect, you know, like an echo effect, if you, if you dampen it, then it stops, it Retards the, you know, the ability to go all the way through it. We're not supposed to say that word, but I think you're. Sorry guys, this is not a politically correct podcast. So basically here's the thing there is a way to recycle them so you can take that 95% good Uranium right and you can recycle it into 100% again and send it back out.

Speaker 2 27:00

Just put it in the blue bin, yeah so Apple, with the launch of Apple Corps, could say this is a closed loop system. Not only are we planning the full development of Apple, new small nuclear reactors that are much cheaper and extremely afford, you know, because they're using our full kind of Engineers and our full you know abilities and ecosystem and manufacturing to do this. So it's way cheaper and and you trust it because it's Apple and it's fully integrated into our you know, our power systems are using our own Apple core stuff. Actually, maybe it can't be called Apple core, cuz maybe that's the name of their chips already. Aren't the M3 chips? Aren't those called Apple core?

Speaker 1 27:35

I don't know you, you, you slipped with Apple nuke there for a second I was like no that's not a good one.

Speaker 2 27:41

You can't have that one.

Speaker 1 27:42

So I was thinking Apple core is not a bad brand anyways.

Speaker 2 27:45

So they they could launch that all and then they could say this is a closed loop system, we're gonna also recycle all of it which you wouldn't have to recycle the first one, for you know, 30 or 20 years or whatever, like they last a decade and recycling.

Speaker 1 27:59

It is dig out, the giant come they pick, yeah they.

Speaker 2 28:02

They take out the tube crack it all? No, they don't know. Well, they take it into a very safe you know. They truck it away totally sealed, okay, in a very safe environment. They, you know, they deconstruct it, pull out the tube right, safely, you know, carefully, make, do the process of recycling it and then that's connected to the manufacturing factory that's making the next one right.

Speaker 1 28:24

What I love about that is I Don't have to think about it for 30 years, like that's gonna be those people. Probably you never have to think about it 30 years from now I'll be retired and Enjoying the effects of climate change.

Speaker 2 28:36

Yes, and you can. Apple can charge, not just for the manufacture of these things, but they can charge a subscription. So they can say okay, you're, you're a hospital who wants to do this, or you're a green hydrogen place and you want one of these or euro, whatever and you want one of these, great, you buy it for you know, 25 million dollars, which you can then finance over its whole lifetime because it's insured to work right 30 years right, and we want a subscription that whole time too, for all the maintenance and everything, and then you have a recycling fee at the end, all baked in it sounds, it's not.

Speaker 1 29:08

That plan is not dissimilar to the ones where you get one of those full Solar roof things. Yeah, where you like, it's a huge upfront investment that it pays off slowly over time and you do a subscription to whatever the Whoever, the generator, and you ensure it and yeah, yeah yeah, yeah so. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 29:28

I don't know if this works out with what's called the levelized cost, the levelized cost of energy. The levelized cost of energy what?

Speaker 1 29:36

is that.

Speaker 2 29:37

That's how you compare apples to apples between different methods of generation of electricity.

Speaker 1 29:42

So if you look at like wind, solar, okay, you know natural gas the best for the buck. Yeah, exactly, these are all so different.

Speaker 2 29:48

How do you really compare their costs? Well, you do this thing called levelized cost of energy, and so I don't know exactly what it boils down to, but but the, the cost, the. I know that small modular nuclear reactors are Right now having like a breakout moment, like they're happening. This is it. They're starting. There will be SMR's. They're called SMR's small nuclear react, small modular reactors. Okay, they're already happening. I heard a podcast the other day of a guy who's the CEO.

Speaker 1 30:17

I've heard of a SMR's. Yeah, those are a little similar. They're like yeah, that's my Trap trap, trap, trap, trap, trap, trap, trap, trap.

Speaker 2 30:32

Do you get the freeze on from ASMR? No.

Speaker 1 30:34

What's the freeze on?

Speaker 2 30:35

That's, some people get this really pleasant experience.

Speaker 1 30:38

I don't think it does for me. No, I don't think I have that ASMR, I just like everyone likes it. But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 30:44

But anyways, you'd have to look at the levelized cost and everything and you'd have to see what Apple would say the levelized cost of energy is for them and their supply chain and their sort of whole financial set Do you think that's the next step toward like smaller and smaller nuclear power?

Speaker 1 31:00

I mean, I'm trying to get to Iron man, but not this is the next step. Yes, Well, I'm trying to get to Iron man, but not get to Terminators. You know what I mean. I want that power to be powering human suits, but not powering AI robots.

Speaker 2 31:17

Good luck, good luck.

Speaker 1 31:19

Do you know any way to do that? Is there a way to One of the reasons people are building.

Speaker 2 31:23

I have a couple of companies that are building like humanoid robots. They were actually inspired by the Fukushima disaster because in Fukushima there was like part I guess there were things in Fukushima where it was like the doors were all closed and it was like you can't go in there or you'll die of radiation. But literally, if someone just could walk in and like turn to knob, it would have like stopped the whole thing.

Speaker 1 31:45

And so if they just had had To sacrifice yourself moment.

Speaker 2 31:48

If there had been a humanoid robot, they could have just walked in and done it. They could have stayed in there for hours, you know, and they would have been a radioactive robot. At the end you would have to destroy it. But who cares as a robot, Right? So actually some people are, you know, this is sort of a safety thing. But, these SMRs things, their chances of going like you know, nuclear or whatever are even like already modern nuclear reactors. There's like no chance of them going like Chernobyl.

Speaker 1 32:13

Very low, like all like it happened in my lifetime In decimal, yeah.

Speaker 2 32:18

But here's the thing about nuclear, though. People should not be so scared nuclear, especially not the small modular reactors, and the reason is, if you look at the number of people who have died due to different energy sources, this is a critical thing. The number of people who have died from nuclear energy is like in the last, like 50 years, is like 10 people. It's like nobody.

Speaker 1 32:40

They've had less time to go than like coal, but coal.

Speaker 2 32:45

Even just now, coal is like hundreds of thousands, like millions. Because they get lung disease and they die. And it's like they die of lung disease from the coal. And it's not just the coal miners, it's anybody who lives anywhere near a coal power plant gets terrible, you know particulate coal Oil is guilt-free, right, totally guilt-free.

Speaker 1 33:05

Well, that is where we started talking about an apple.

Speaker 2 33:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:08

Well, that is weird synchronicity. You know it's so weird.

Speaker 2 33:11

I was gonna talk about something completely different. It's weird.

Speaker 1 33:14

This is how you find out that I've hacked your phone.

Speaker 2 33:16

Yeah right, you just know the ones. No, there's no way, because you still wouldn't know, because I make the decision at the very last minute. I decided at the very last split second what to do.

Speaker 1 33:24

This is how I tell you I have Professor X powers.

Speaker 2 33:26

That's true. That would be a solution. That would be a good solution.

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Speaker 1 33:29

Having Professor X. Yeah, here's the solution have Professor X powers.

Speaker 2 33:33

I guess one of the rules of SFM is it has to be plausible. It can't just be fantastical, it's a global we actually have.

Speaker 1 33:39

I mean, we do have listeners in. That's true. Every continent, yes, every continent we have. There is like one person in South America that's holding us strong there. I don't know who it is. If you're the person in South America that keeps listening, this is great You're keeping us on all the. We have more in other ones, but I love this. The one in South America. Who is it?

Speaker 2 33:58

Solutiones del multiverso Perfecto.

Speaker 1 34:02

Perfecto.

Speaker 2 34:03

Perfecto, everyone is welcome. We are global podcast. Yeah, buenas noches, everybody. Buenas noches.

Speaker 1 34:09

All right, take everybody.

Speaker 2 34:11

See ya, keep it climbing, ms News.